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I'm somewhat surprised that, after the SpaceX / Boring Company "rescue submarine" offer a few years ago, Elon Musk hasn't personally suggested (over X, of cours

I'm somewhat surprised that, after the SpaceX / Boring Company "rescue submarine" offer a few years ago, Elon Musk hasn't personally suggested (over X, of course) that SpaceX send up another Dragon inside of some compressed timeframe. I'm assuming there must be some other limitations at play - maybe one can't be readied that fast, or there's some other regulatory reason?

creer 2y ago
Isn't SpaceX already scheduled with the next vehicle there? With likely enough space on it and no rush on the space station? SpaceX is already next, already in the news as the safe solution.
gpm 2y ago
As the article mentions, but is discussed in more detail in another article [0], the alternative that is being considered (and that SpaceX was already paid $266,678 to study, though that contract was not necessarily awarded because of this situation where it might become necessary) is bringing them home on the dragon already up there. [0] https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/yes-nasa-really-could-bring-starliners-astronauts-back-on-crew-dragon/ https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/yes-nasa-really-could-...
- nordsieck 2y ago
  > the alternative that is being considered (and that SpaceX was already paid $266,678 to study, though that contract was not necessarily awarded because of this situation where it might become necessary) is bringing them home on the dragon already up there. It's a little more nuanced than that. If NASA decides to bring the Astronauts home on a Crew Dragon, there will be a short window of time between when Starliner undocks and when the next Crew Dragon docks that there will be 6 International Astronauts on the ISS and only 4 seats. If an emergency happens during that time, NASA would jerry-rig some extra seats in the existing Crew Dragon and bring all 6 home that way. But that's a very short period of time - just a couple of weeks. The next Crew Dragon will only have 2 Astronauts aboard, and will contain suits for Butch and Sunny, so that all 4 of them can return normally on that vehicle at the end of the next rotation.
bigiain 2y ago
Just as likely, Elon Musk (dead at 52) posts saying the Boeing astronauts can go fuck themselves.
negative_zero 2y ago
The limitation is both ISS scheduling (it's very busy now and has been for a while) and number of available docking ports. It's part of why the next crew dragon mission is being delayed, it needs to use the docking port currently occupied by Starliner (and Starliner can't leave until Boeing updates and uploads software for full autonomous operations).
dotnet00 2y ago
As others have mentioned, he hasn't needed to suggest it because that's the official alternative anyway. The next Dragon crew rotation is coming up in September, so the current proposed plan is to only send 2 people up, along with the Dragon IVA suits for Butch and Suni, and bring them back when that crew rotates back out in February. SpaceX (afaik) also doesn't have any spare Dragons available for an extra rescue mission right now. One is set to fly their EVA test flight in a week or so and does not have the hardware to dock with the ISS, instead replacing it with an EVA port. A second Dragon is being prepped for a crewed polar flight sometime later this year, and a third one is likely in the process of being refurbished for the crew rotation in February. But also, they can't dock a second Crew Dragon at the station until they undock Starliner, and that is its own can of worms right now (needs a few weeks to update the software for uncrewed operation).

creer 2y ago

Isn't SpaceX already scheduled with the next vehicle there? With likely enough space on it and no rush on the space station? SpaceX is already next, already in the news as the safe solution.

gpm 2y ago

As the article mentions, but is discussed in more detail in another article [0], the alternative that is being considered (and that SpaceX was already paid $266,678 to study, though that contract was not necessarily awarded because of this situation where it might become necessary) is bringing them home on the dragon already up there. [0] https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/yes-nasa-really-could-bring-starliners-astronauts-back-on-crew-dragon/ https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/yes-nasa-really-could-...

nordsieck 2y ago
> the alternative that is being considered (and that SpaceX was already paid $266,678 to study, though that contract was not necessarily awarded because of this situation where it might become necessary) is bringing them home on the dragon already up there. It's a little more nuanced than that. If NASA decides to bring the Astronauts home on a Crew Dragon, there will be a short window of time between when Starliner undocks and when the next Crew Dragon docks that there will be 6 International Astronauts on the ISS and only 4 seats. If an emergency happens during that time, NASA would jerry-rig some extra seats in the existing Crew Dragon and bring all 6 home that way. But that's a very short period of time - just a couple of weeks. The next Crew Dragon will only have 2 Astronauts aboard, and will contain suits for Butch and Sunny, so that all 4 of them can return normally on that vehicle at the end of the next rotation.

bigiain 2y ago

Just as likely, Elon Musk (dead at 52) posts saying the Boeing astronauts can go fuck themselves.

negative_zero 2y ago

The limitation is both ISS scheduling (it's very busy now and has been for a while) and number of available docking ports. It's part of why the next crew dragon mission is being delayed, it needs to use the docking port currently occupied by Starliner (and Starliner can't leave until Boeing updates and uploads software for full autonomous operations).

dotnet00 2y ago

As others have mentioned, he hasn't needed to suggest it because that's the official alternative anyway. The next Dragon crew rotation is coming up in September, so the current proposed plan is to only send 2 people up, along with the Dragon IVA suits for Butch and Suni, and bring them back when that crew rotates back out in February. SpaceX (afaik) also doesn't have any spare Dragons available for an extra rescue mission right now. One is set to fly their EVA test flight in a week or so and does not have the hardware to dock with the ISS, instead replacing it with an EVA port. A second Dragon is being prepped for a crewed polar flight sometime later this year, and a third one is likely in the process of being refurbished for the crew rotation in February. But also, they can't dock a second Crew Dragon at the station until they undock Starliner, and that is its own can of worms right now (needs a few weeks to update the software for uncrewed operation).