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How is Boeing so consistently terrible nowadays? Theyre going to kill people at some point.
by the_real_cher 2y ago
How is Boeing so consistently terrible nowadays?
Theyre going to kill people at some point.
- phkahler 2y ago>> They already did with the 2 737 Max crashes.
- zie 2y agoThey put business people in charge with the last merger, instead of people with technical backgrounds. As for killing people, they have already done that with the 737 Max.
- the_real_cher 2y agoInsane. MBAs are a menace
- Spartan-S63 2y agoA professional management class is a menace. Managers with experience in the domain they’re managing are key. Engineers-evolved-into-managers should lead engineering firms, etc. If you don’t understand what your underlying business is, you’re doomed to fail. Likewise, businesses should be predicated on selling products, not on boosting stock prices. There are at least two very wrong things: the Jack Welch-ification of companies, and professional MBAs.
- booi 2y agocase in point, Jensen Huang and Lisa Su. Both I think are excellent run engineering tech firms that would be ruined by an MBA. See Intel as an example..
- Yeul 2y agoThey didn't have a choice. When Airbus developed into feasible competition Boeing suddenly had to start making money. The aviation industry wants cheap, fuel economic and reliable "air busses". A brilliant name indeed.
- Intralexical 2y ago> The aviation industry wants cheap, fuel economic and reliable "air busses". A brilliant name indeed. Ah, so that's what went wrong with the Bombardier CSeries.
- zie 2y agoThey could have put business people with technical backgrounds in charge, instead of business people with no technical skills whatsoever.
- ClassyJacket 2y ago"How is Boeing so consistently terrible nowadays?" They are a publicly traded corporation. The enshittification is inevitable. They already killed a few hundred people.
- black_13 2y ago[dead]
- every 2y agoBean counters are notoriously poor engineers...
- DonHopkins 2y agoBut they're great at financially justifying and ordering hits on whistleblowers.
- kondro 2y agoAren't there a couple of unalive whistleblowers?
- lyu07282 2y agoafaik 2 so far as we know, John Barnett from "suicide" and Joshua Dean from "illness".
- bigln 2y ago[flagged]
- SteveGerencser 2y agoBoeing merged with Lockheed/Martin when L/M was in serious trouble and rumors say it was pushed by the DOD because of all the L/M defense contracts involved. This then lead to the worst parts of L/M (management over engineering) gaining a foothold at Boeing (Engineering over Management). The rest is a long, slow, decline into Boeing being what L/M was when they needed to be rescued.
- bradknowles 2y agoI thought the real damage of management over engineering was done when they merged with McDonnell Douglas, and it was the MDD managers who got put into all the cushy higher level jobs? Or did that happen twice?
- shiroiushi 2y agoI think his post is correct, except that he unfortunately got M-D confused with L-M and is probably outside the edit window now.
- Vecr 2y agoI'm pretty sure Boeing did not merge with Lockheed Martin. In this alternate history was it because of the F-35 contract?
- HideousKojima 2y agoULA (Boeing and Lockheed's spaceflight division) is a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed. Maybe they're referring to that?
- _djo_ 2y agoI think they're confusing Lockheed Martin with McDonnell Douglas.
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- formerly_proven 2y ago> Theyre going to kill people at some point. developed by Boeing that became notorious for its role in two fatal accidents of the 737 MAX in 2018 and 2019, which killed all 346 passengers and crew among both flights.