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Google really doesn't want people to know what goes on in pay to win games. While they aren't outright fraud, they are right there. And those apps probably mak

Google really doesn't want people to know what goes on in pay to win games. While they aren't outright fraud, they are right there. And those apps probably make billions a year.

FireBeyond 2y ago
This issue is something of a Google thing... But let's not pretend Apple doesn't see pay-to-win games and IAPs as a massive massive cash cow, too. That's not a Google exclusive.
- sabbaticaldev 2y ago
  this is a post about google
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    Yes it is. But "Google does this!" can have implicit "This is a Google issue", not "This is an issue." (And I say that as someone who has had only iPhones since the Lumia 920.)
    - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
      make a post about apple then in place of asking what about
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        "Google and Apple both do the same things and it's unpalatable." "Also" is not a deflection of "What about". But if we want to go that way, Google doesn't play selective moral arbiter. "Porn on iOS? Never." "Gambling and PTW on iOS? Hmm. 30% cut. Okay."
        sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        I don’t care googler, let’s discuss Apple on an Apple’s thread.
nextworddev 2y ago
I know someone who makes $10m a year pumping out absolute garbage games on Android with all sorts of dark patterns, and have the thick skin to give talks at GDC. But if you took out all the scammy apps out of Google or Meta ecosystems, they will be worth far less
- drdaeman 2y ago
  $10M from garbage mobile "games", and no liabilities? Is it some lucky exception, or that's a norm in the industry? Maybe I should shove up my ideals and principles where the sun doesn't shine, and ramp up a LLM game generator factory trained on a wiki of dark patterns... I will have pangs of conscience, but if it works I'll also have my own place to live and some basic financial security that may suffice if^W when my health degrades. And surely a good therapist would be able to fix the conscience later. (Or does the lion's share of that money goes to the lawyers, haha?)
hipadev23 2y ago
> pay to win games. This has nothing to do with scams, only you disapproving of a monetization model you don't understand while making wildly incorrect estimates.
- immibis 2y ago
  Scams are a monetization model we don't understand and disapprove of, yes.
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Google really doesn't want people to know what goes on in pay to win games. While they aren't outright fraud, they are right there. And those apps probably make billions a year.

FireBeyond 2y ago

This issue is something of a Google thing... But let's not pretend Apple doesn't see pay-to-win games and IAPs as a massive massive cash cow, too. That's not a Google exclusive.

sabbaticaldev 2y ago
this is a post about google
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  Yes it is. But "Google does this!" can have implicit "This is a Google issue", not "This is an issue." (And I say that as someone who has had only iPhones since the Lumia 920.)
  - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
    make a post about apple then in place of asking what about
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      "Google and Apple both do the same things and it's unpalatable." "Also" is not a deflection of "What about". But if we want to go that way, Google doesn't play selective moral arbiter. "Porn on iOS? Never." "Gambling and PTW on iOS? Hmm. 30% cut. Okay."
      - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        I don’t care googler, let’s discuss Apple on an Apple’s thread.

nextworddev 2y ago

I know someone who makes $10m a year pumping out absolute garbage games on Android with all sorts of dark patterns, and have the thick skin to give talks at GDC. But if you took out all the scammy apps out of Google or Meta ecosystems, they will be worth far less

drdaeman 2y ago
$10M from garbage mobile "games", and no liabilities? Is it some lucky exception, or that's a norm in the industry? Maybe I should shove up my ideals and principles where the sun doesn't shine, and ramp up a LLM game generator factory trained on a wiki of dark patterns... I will have pangs of conscience, but if it works I'll also have my own place to live and some basic financial security that may suffice if^W when my health degrades. And surely a good therapist would be able to fix the conscience later. (Or does the lion's share of that money goes to the lawyers, haha?)

hipadev23 2y ago

> pay to win games. This has nothing to do with scams, only you disapproving of a monetization model you don't understand while making wildly incorrect estimates.

immibis 2y ago
Scams are a monetization model we don't understand and disapprove of, yes.
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