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Why does HN and assume they can simply not follow the law in the country they do business? They should be mad at Brazil.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
They are mad at Brazil but they also want these powerful American tech companies to take a stance for American values, to whatever extent they can. It’s not appropriate for Apple to support political oppression, just as it is not appropriate for Nike to use cotton supplied by enslaved Uyghur labor. Sure they are not solely responsible for those situations but they give it continued power and legitimacy through their willing compliance. As for Brazil - who do you get mad at? The people? Most of the people are just trying to survive day to day and aren’t involved in these power struggles. Everyone from independent journalists, to press organizations, to US House committees, to political opposition within Brazil have complained about the new hard push for authoritarian censorship by the sitting government under Lula. But who can create change? I think corporations have more power to influence than maybe all of these groups.
- throwaway87483 2y ago
  They only care about their bottom line and are not doing anything the governments aren't doing. The US government, for example, is happy to trade and deal with our own despite the latter's horrific human rights record. Somehow that subject never comes up in their talks. They were happy to deal with the CCP for decades and that only started changing when it became clear that China is turning into a major global power that will not simply roll over and do what it's told. Basically every other country of any international prominence behaves in the same way, I'm not singling out the US.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  > As for Brazil - who do you get mad at? The brazilian supreme court.
- whiterknight 2y ago
  I don’t think everyone wants American values. I don’t think you can run a successful international organization without respecting the local law and customs.
f33d5173 2y ago
Apple chooses not to allow you to download and install apps off the web because it's good for their bottom line; this is the consequences. We've had threads recently criticizing brazil as well, but in this case apple is an offender and should recieve blame.
lupusreal 2y ago
Users of Windows or even MacOS aren't blocked by their OS vendor from installing programs the Brazilian government doesn't like. iOS users are, because Apple has specifically chosen to grant themselves this power.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

They are mad at Brazil but they also want these powerful American tech companies to take a stance for American values, to whatever extent they can. It’s not appropriate for Apple to support political oppression, just as it is not appropriate for Nike to use cotton supplied by enslaved Uyghur labor. Sure they are not solely responsible for those situations but they give it continued power and legitimacy through their willing compliance. As for Brazil - who do you get mad at? The people? Most of the people are just trying to survive day to day and aren’t involved in these power struggles. Everyone from independent journalists, to press organizations, to US House committees, to political opposition within Brazil have complained about the new hard push for authoritarian censorship by the sitting government under Lula. But who can create change? I think corporations have more power to influence than maybe all of these groups.

throwaway87483 2y ago
They only care about their bottom line and are not doing anything the governments aren't doing. The US government, for example, is happy to trade and deal with our own despite the latter's horrific human rights record. Somehow that subject never comes up in their talks. They were happy to deal with the CCP for decades and that only started changing when it became clear that China is turning into a major global power that will not simply roll over and do what it's told. Basically every other country of any international prominence behaves in the same way, I'm not singling out the US.
matheusmoreira 2y ago
> As for Brazil - who do you get mad at? The brazilian supreme court.
whiterknight 2y ago
I don’t think everyone wants American values. I don’t think you can run a successful international organization without respecting the local law and customs.

f33d5173 2y ago

Apple chooses not to allow you to download and install apps off the web because it's good for their bottom line; this is the consequences. We've had threads recently criticizing brazil as well, but in this case apple is an offender and should recieve blame.

lupusreal 2y ago

Users of Windows or even MacOS aren't blocked by their OS vendor from installing programs the Brazilian government doesn't like. iOS users are, because Apple has specifically chosen to grant themselves this power.