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To paraphrase an old quote, "every new text editor grows until it is bloated with collaboration and AI features." Thank god we still have vim and Emacs.

by sph 2y ago

User23 2y ago
Emacs[1] has been bloated with collaboration (gnus, etc) and AI features (doctor, lisp in general) for decades! [1] Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping
- ninkendo 2y ago
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - Natfan 2y ago
    I'm not getting the same results for ed? $ whereis -b ed | cut -d' ' -f 2 | xargs ls -l -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55504 Feb 22 2020 /usr/bin/ed
    - codetrotter 2y ago
      But your emacs is still 5.89824 * 10^37 bytes in size like parent commenter, right?
    - ninkendo 2y ago
      Clearly it grew a lot in size since 1929. It doesn’t waste nearly that much space on my timex sinclair. (To explain and thus ruin the joke, https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html)
      - ninkendo 2y ago
        Alternative reply: while :; do echo ?; done Is only 24 bytes.
    - sph 2y ago
      I spent a few minutes trying to work out your pipeline. I think this is easier ls -l $(which ed)
- atkailash 2y ago
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linsomniac 2y ago
Except, as I understand it, the collaboration features were one of the primary things they wanted to do with Zed. So this isn't a case of bloat. The first blog post on the site is "How CRDTs make multiplayer text editing part of Zed's DNA".
- dragonelite 2y ago
  I always wondered are people really doing this collaboration stuff. I tried it at the start of the lock downs era. But i quickly found it annoying, but maybe its because the implementation was just bad back then.
ramenbytes 2y ago
> Thank god we still have vim and Emacs. Emacs has had AI since before it was cool again. M-x doctor
lobsterthief 2y ago
Except Sublime Text ;)
anta40 2y ago
I'm still happy with vim/nvim as daily work tools (also currently exploring kakoune and helix... because why not). Think of vim/nvim setup as a one time process: a bit complicated, but once done then you are ready to go. Of course, I use text editors for... code editing. No need to turn it into an IDE or mail client or whatever.

To paraphrase an old quote, "every new text editor grows until it is bloated with collaboration and AI features." Thank god we still have vim and Emacs.

by sph 2y ago

To paraphrase an old quote, "every new text editor grows until it is bloated with collaboration and AI features." Thank god we still have vim and Emacs.

User23 2y ago

Emacs[1] has been bloated with collaboration (gnus, etc) and AI features (doctor, lisp in general) for decades! [1] Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping

ninkendo 2y ago
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs
- deleted 2y ago
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- Natfan 2y ago
  I'm not getting the same results for ed? $ whereis -b ed | cut -d' ' -f 2 | xargs ls -l -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55504 Feb 22 2020 /usr/bin/ed
  - codetrotter 2y ago
    But your emacs is still 5.89824 * 10^37 bytes in size like parent commenter, right?
  - ninkendo 2y ago
    Clearly it grew a lot in size since 1929. It doesn’t waste nearly that much space on my timex sinclair. (To explain and thus ruin the joke, https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html)
    - ninkendo 2y ago
      Alternative reply: while :; do echo ?; done Is only 24 bytes.
  - sph 2y ago
    I spent a few minutes trying to work out your pipeline. I think this is easier ls -l $(which ed)
atkailash 2y ago
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linsomniac 2y ago

Except, as I understand it, the collaboration features were one of the primary things they wanted to do with Zed. So this isn't a case of bloat. The first blog post on the site is "How CRDTs make multiplayer text editing part of Zed's DNA".

dragonelite 2y ago
I always wondered are people really doing this collaboration stuff. I tried it at the start of the lock downs era. But i quickly found it annoying, but maybe its because the implementation was just bad back then.

ramenbytes 2y ago

> Thank god we still have vim and Emacs. Emacs has had AI since before it was cool again. M-x doctor

lobsterthief 2y ago

Except Sublime Text ;)

anta40 2y ago

I'm still happy with vim/nvim as daily work tools (also currently exploring kakoune and helix... because why not). Think of vim/nvim setup as a one time process: a bit complicated, but once done then you are ready to go. Of course, I use text editors for... code editing. No need to turn it into an IDE or mail client or whatever.