> please don't make me argue that it really is better than no VPN at all No argument at all from me. ;) What you've said seems blatantly pragmatic to me. --It

> please don't make me argue that it really is better than no VPN at all No argument at all from me. ;) What you've said seems blatantly pragmatic to me. --It's sad how so much of HN these days is pointless arguments. Sure, it's good that we're accurate in what we say, and fair about it, but every word we utter should not lead to an argument. Oh well... Anyhow, I did find one SSH app for iOS (iPad) when I last looked, but I still agree; Whether or not it's possible to get other apps to play well with SOCKS would be a real headache. I'm not a real iOS user, but I have helped my parents with their iPad a bit. I'm curious how much of a pain it is on iOS to get IPSec set up properly? IPSec can be really tricky to set up properly, but once you've got it right, it's the very best VPN solution. A lot of companies have tried to make IPSec more "usable" and "user-friendly" on desktops, but it's still an unwanted pain for users. For admins, testing it for leaks is often a convoluted nightmare. The thought of attempting both the setup and testing on a mobile device (iOS/Android) makes me shudder.