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Coincidentally (to the fact Germany is actively phasing out nuclear) Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry - every

Coincidentally (to the fact Germany is actively phasing out nuclear) Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry - every other nuclear-powered nation seems less good at quality and safety, the safety measures Germany applied seemed really good. Yet nowadays it appears Germany essentially outsources nuclear power generation to its neighbors who would still contaminate Germany in case of a nuclear incident at their land.

usrusr 2y ago
Toyota - level reliability, train schedules that describe expectation, not ambition, speaking as a German I would have had a lot more trust in Japan running reactors.
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- jmkni 2y ago
  I guess the difference is the Earthquake threat
krior 2y ago
As a german, I cannot speak for the situation in other countries, but Germany handled nuclear energy really poorly, especially the waste[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine
zeristor 2y ago
Imagine diselgate but with nuclear waste
- qwerty456127 2y ago
  Aren't nuclear power plants generally ran by enterprises which are less concerned about sales and stocks than car manufacturers are?
wongarsu 2y ago
> Yet nowadays it appears Germany essentially outsources nuclear power generation to its neighbors If German voters had anything to say about other countries' power generation our neighbours would also be shutting down their reactors, or at the very least replacing their worst reactors. But as it happens German voters have very little say in how other countries run their energy grid. And the people in charge of actually running the German energy grid don't care as much, they are just happily buying and selling energy to keep the grid stable. And in the last 20 years there has only been one year where Germany has imported more electricity than it exported, so it's not like we outsource our grid
- qwerty456127 2y ago
  There is a way you can influence a thing neighbors do - just do it yourself so good (also in terms of economic efficiency, besides safety and quality) they would prefer to rely on you instead of doing it themselves.
dgellow 2y ago
> Coincidentally (to the fact Germany is actively phasing out nuclear) Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry - every other nuclear-powered nation seems less good at quality and safety, the safety measures Germany applied seemed really good. Could you expend on this? What are you basing this on? Germany has an international reputation of being competent and serious about safety, but that often feels more like a myth than reality IMHO. Pretty happy to live in the country, but it’s clear at this point the country failed to live to its reputation for the past 2 decades. Germany failed to maintain and develop almost all its large infrastructure projects. Small anecdote: I live in Hamburg, one of the richest and most developed city (love the place btw, really underrated), I finally got fiber for my internet connection just a few months ago. And we are parts of the very lucky few! I had fiber in my home country of Switzerland in 2010.
- qwerty456127 2y ago
  I don't mean the reputation of doing everything great which obviously is a myth. I am speaking specifically about the German nuclear installations safety standards.
  - dgellow 2y ago
    Understood, and could you cite something in that regard? Or mention something a bit more specific
0x_rs 2y ago
>Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry Under what assumptions? Not accusing of believing stereotypes, but most german megaprojects and public works have not been faring well. I don't believe there is one scenario in which Germany would be more trustworthy in regards to nuclear power than its neighor, France.
- qwerty456127 2y ago
  Perhaps I am under the influence of stereotypes as I haven't explored the subject thoroughly enough. But this is not the general Germany quality stereotype, I specifically mean the nuclear tech.

usrusr 2y ago

Toyota - level reliability, train schedules that describe expectation, not ambition, speaking as a German I would have had a lot more trust in Japan running reactors.

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jmkni 2y ago
I guess the difference is the Earthquake threat

krior 2y ago

As a german, I cannot speak for the situation in other countries, but Germany handled nuclear energy really poorly, especially the waste[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine

zeristor 2y ago

Imagine diselgate but with nuclear waste

qwerty456127 2y ago
Aren't nuclear power plants generally ran by enterprises which are less concerned about sales and stocks than car manufacturers are?

wongarsu 2y ago

> Yet nowadays it appears Germany essentially outsources nuclear power generation to its neighbors If German voters had anything to say about other countries' power generation our neighbours would also be shutting down their reactors, or at the very least replacing their worst reactors. But as it happens German voters have very little say in how other countries run their energy grid. And the people in charge of actually running the German energy grid don't care as much, they are just happily buying and selling energy to keep the grid stable. And in the last 20 years there has only been one year where Germany has imported more electricity than it exported, so it's not like we outsource our grid

qwerty456127 2y ago
There is a way you can influence a thing neighbors do - just do it yourself so good (also in terms of economic efficiency, besides safety and quality) they would prefer to rely on you instead of doing it themselves.

dgellow 2y ago

> Coincidentally (to the fact Germany is actively phasing out nuclear) Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry - every other nuclear-powered nation seems less good at quality and safety, the safety measures Germany applied seemed really good. Could you expend on this? What are you basing this on? Germany has an international reputation of being competent and serious about safety, but that often feels more like a myth than reality IMHO. Pretty happy to live in the country, but it’s clear at this point the country failed to live to its reputation for the past 2 decades. Germany failed to maintain and develop almost all its large infrastructure projects. Small anecdote: I live in Hamburg, one of the richest and most developed city (love the place btw, really underrated), I finally got fiber for my internet connection just a few months ago. And we are parts of the very lucky few! I had fiber in my home country of Switzerland in 2010.

qwerty456127 2y ago
I don't mean the reputation of doing everything great which obviously is a myth. I am speaking specifically about the German nuclear installations safety standards.
- dgellow 2y ago
  Understood, and could you cite something in that regard? Or mention something a bit more specific

0x_rs 2y ago

>Germany is the very country I would trust to run nuclear power plants without worry Under what assumptions? Not accusing of believing stereotypes, but most german megaprojects and public works have not been faring well. I don't believe there is one scenario in which Germany would be more trustworthy in regards to nuclear power than its neighor, France.

qwerty456127 2y ago
Perhaps I am under the influence of stereotypes as I haven't explored the subject thoroughly enough. But this is not the general Germany quality stereotype, I specifically mean the nuclear tech.