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Do you have personal experience with this or something? Seems like a rather specific fear.

by DiggyJohnson 2y ago

trte9343r4 2y ago
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- NotACop182 2y ago
  I got a solution for you then. Any kid caught using their phone in school is expelled. We shall put personal responsibility and consequences as the primary objective. Does this solve your issue.
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
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    - Version467 2y ago
      Are you alright? This reads like it was written by someone actively experiencing psychosis or a manic episode.
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      - trte9343r4 2y ago
        I am quite alright, thanks. Just want dog owners to take some responsibility.
      - NotACop182 2y ago
        Sorry I was feeding into his manic episode. I do see the point he’s making but it’s flawed. It’s similar to the gun debate.
      - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
        GGP here. This was my reaction as well, though I fully admit to projecting my own experiences. I relate to this style of discourse... Anyways, I wanted to note that I appreciated seeing this comment. Folks tend to have a hard time empathizing with this sort of thing.
  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    This is absurd! How would you feel if your workplace implemented such a rule? Why don't you propose you just shoot them on the spot instead, that will teach them that actions have consequences and will scare them straight!
    - hindsightbias 2y ago
      A workplace where coworkers weren’t fidgiting with their phones in every meeting? Slacking and texting non-stop? Sounds like an absolute paradise.
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Dog attacks and bites are…way more common than car accidents This is nonsense. There are on “average 337,103 ED visits each year for dog bites,” with an “annual incidence” of “1.1 per 1,000” [1]. This makes them “the 13th most common injury,” exceeding “those occurring on motorcycles (14th), to pedestrians (15th) and firearm gunshot injuries (16th).” These result, however, in just 30 to 50 deaths per year [2]. Motor vehicles killed over 40 thousand Americans in 2021 and 2022 [3]. They are the fourth most common injury in EDs, and by far the more fatal one. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6431755/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6431755/ [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_Uni... [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...
  - card_zero 2y ago
    Perhaps consider "attack" as broadly defined or metaphorical, similar to "cell phone == crack pipe", which of course isn't nonsense either, or is it.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > consider "attack" as broadly defined Still doesn’t work. There are over 3x more motor vehicles in America than dogs [1][2]. There are more households with cars than dogs. Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater. The threshold for damage, given a vehicle’s power, is much less. For any measure of “attack,” the frequency and damage from cars will always exceed that from dogs. It’s a stupid aside that doesn’t make any actual arguments about why taking cell phones from kids is bad. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicles-in-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicle... [2] https://financesonline.com/number-of-dogs-in-the-us/ https://financesonline.com/number-of-dogs-in-the-us/ [2]
      - card_zero 2y ago
        > Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater. Well I still wouldn't like to call it, because a dog will in many cases, perhaps the majority, escape the owner's control and run up to you and sniff you, which is very unusual for cars.
- Version467 2y ago
  Do you have a source for this? Dog attacks being more common than car accidents seems extremely unlikely to me, given how prevalent car accidents are. I really wouldn't expect a cellphone ban for students to result in a significant rise of delayed treatment for injuries caused specifically by dog attacks. Even if dogs attacking students is such a common occurrence that it warrants consideration in this proposal (which I doubt), it's still a school. Teachers and other staff are around. Just have them call emergency services in case of injuries.
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    Other commenter posted some data. My point is that lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...) are so common, they can not even be reported. If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...) Sniffing and licking are not “attacks”. If they are, a car honking or braking suddenly is a crash. > If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school How many teachers brought pets to school before the 2000s? How many people brought pets to the office? (If anything, there are more pets at the workplace now than ever before.) The taking of a cell phone seems to have emotionally provoked you. Reflecting on why you’re responding to a phone like a crack pipe might be a better use of your time than pretending to have a phobia of dog licks.
      - trte9343r4 2y ago
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        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > why my kid needs recorder, many abusers try to down play such attacks! Have you ever had anyone in a position of authority do anything about a dog sniffing or licking your kid? Because if so, that’s national-news level hilarious.
- veunes 2y ago
  > It is way more common than car accidents! It is not accurate when looking at the statistics!

Do you have personal experience with this or something? Seems like a rather specific fear.

trte9343r4 2y ago

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NotACop182 2y ago
I got a solution for you then. Any kid caught using their phone in school is expelled. We shall put personal responsibility and consequences as the primary objective. Does this solve your issue.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
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  - Version467 2y ago
    Are you alright? This reads like it was written by someone actively experiencing psychosis or a manic episode.
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    - trte9343r4 2y ago
      I am quite alright, thanks. Just want dog owners to take some responsibility.
    - NotACop182 2y ago
      Sorry I was feeding into his manic episode. I do see the point he’s making but it’s flawed. It’s similar to the gun debate.
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      GGP here. This was my reaction as well, though I fully admit to projecting my own experiences. I relate to this style of discourse... Anyways, I wanted to note that I appreciated seeing this comment. Folks tend to have a hard time empathizing with this sort of thing.
- RealityVoid 2y ago
  This is absurd! How would you feel if your workplace implemented such a rule? Why don't you propose you just shoot them on the spot instead, that will teach them that actions have consequences and will scare them straight!
  - hindsightbias 2y ago
    A workplace where coworkers weren’t fidgiting with their phones in every meeting? Slacking and texting non-stop? Sounds like an absolute paradise.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Dog attacks and bites are…way more common than car accidents This is nonsense. There are on “average 337,103 ED visits each year for dog bites,” with an “annual incidence” of “1.1 per 1,000” [1]. This makes them “the 13th most common injury,” exceeding “those occurring on motorcycles (14th), to pedestrians (15th) and firearm gunshot injuries (16th).” These result, however, in just 30 to 50 deaths per year [2]. Motor vehicles killed over 40 thousand Americans in 2021 and 2022 [3]. They are the fourth most common injury in EDs, and by far the more fatal one. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6431755/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6431755/ [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_Uni... [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...
- card_zero 2y ago
  Perhaps consider "attack" as broadly defined or metaphorical, similar to "cell phone == crack pipe", which of course isn't nonsense either, or is it.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > consider "attack" as broadly defined Still doesn’t work. There are over 3x more motor vehicles in America than dogs [1][2]. There are more households with cars than dogs. Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater. The threshold for damage, given a vehicle’s power, is much less. For any measure of “attack,” the frequency and damage from cars will always exceed that from dogs. It’s a stupid aside that doesn’t make any actual arguments about why taking cell phones from kids is bad. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicles-in-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicle... [2] https://financesonline.com/number-of-dogs-in-the-us/ https://financesonline.com/number-of-dogs-in-the-us/ [2]
    - card_zero 2y ago
      > Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater. Well I still wouldn't like to call it, because a dog will in many cases, perhaps the majority, escape the owner's control and run up to you and sniff you, which is very unusual for cars.
Version467 2y ago
Do you have a source for this? Dog attacks being more common than car accidents seems extremely unlikely to me, given how prevalent car accidents are. I really wouldn't expect a cellphone ban for students to result in a significant rise of delayed treatment for injuries caused specifically by dog attacks. Even if dogs attacking students is such a common occurrence that it warrants consideration in this proposal (which I doubt), it's still a school. Teachers and other staff are around. Just have them call emergency services in case of injuries.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  Other commenter posted some data. My point is that lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...) are so common, they can not even be reported. If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...) Sniffing and licking are not “attacks”. If they are, a car honking or braking suddenly is a crash. > If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school How many teachers brought pets to school before the 2000s? How many people brought pets to the office? (If anything, there are more pets at the workplace now than ever before.) The taking of a cell phone seems to have emotionally provoked you. Reflecting on why you’re responding to a phone like a crack pipe might be a better use of your time than pretending to have a phobia of dog licks.
    - trte9343r4 2y ago
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      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > why my kid needs recorder, many abusers try to down play such attacks! Have you ever had anyone in a position of authority do anything about a dog sniffing or licking your kid? Because if so, that’s national-news level hilarious.
veunes 2y ago
> It is way more common than car accidents! It is not accurate when looking at the statistics!