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by throwawayk7h 2y ago

mococa 2y ago
[flagged]
- LorenDB 2y ago
  HN policy is that submissions always link to the primary source. Alternative proxy links (Thread Reader, archive.today, archive.org) are welcome in the comments, but as they are not the primary source, they should not be submitted as the HN topic.
  - neilv 2y ago
    And, for whatever reason, Twitter/X links get upvoted on HN. Otherwise, eventually word would get out to content creators that, if they want exposure on HN, they'd have to put their content somewhere other than Twitter/X.
    - LorenDB 2y ago
      From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. If there's things on Twitter that are interesting, they may be submitted. Blocking Twitter would effectively block quite a few interesting submissions. Furthermore, most people don't go to Twitter to get HN upvotes; they're going there for likes and retweets.
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        Blocking Twitter would effectively block quite a few interesting submissions. Society has a problem with information overload these days, not information shortage. If X is a pain in the ass to browse then 'screw em' - most of what anyone posts there is, or gets, regurgitated via the other social media sites, anyways.
    - next_xibalba 2y ago
      Don’t you think they get upvoted bc other HN users don’t share your opinion on X links or outright disagree with you?
      - neilv 2y ago
        > Don’t you think they get upvoted bc other HN users don’t share your opinion on X links or outright disagree with you? I would guess that they get upvoted because people aren't aware of the concern, people are aware but disagree, people are aware and at least sorta disagree but didn't notice this time, or there's shill upvoting. Regardless of the reason, in theory, HN might have the power to change the behavior of Twitter/X posters.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        Most HN users comment on the title, not the content. The title and the xeet will have similar length anyway.
        next_xibalba 2y ago
        Said another way, they either don’t mind or don’t care about X links.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      That will take a bit of time but I do flag and downvote whenever I can. I'm not going to signup to that to read 2 lines of text.
  - cma 2y ago
    At what point is the front page all original source intranet links?
- 29athrowaway 2y ago
  Right. What else do you propose? a large book burning? destroying libraries? X (formerly Twitter) has a large trove of valuable content that dates from the "Twitter 1.0" era as well.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    Banning the media of an oligarch who supported book bans in public libraries would just sounds like karma to me.
    - 29athrowaway 2y ago
      Well, movies, music and video games have content rating, to the extent that a book that features tobacco use may be rated for certain audiences... For the sake of consistency, I would expect that a sexually explicit book would not be put in the hands of kids, same as we already do with other types of content such as music, movies and games. Now, there are books that should be banned. Like the Golden book of Chemistry Experiments and other books that can lead to potentially dangerous outcomes.
      - littlestymaar 2y ago
        Lots of harmless books were banned and curiously the Bible is exempted, but OK there's no problem and it's not censorship.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  I don't want an X account, so X links are useless to me. I don't subscribe to subscriptions, so NYT links etc... useless to me. I block privacy-abusing domains... AlphaGoogle links etc are inaccessible. I won't disable my adblocker... many commercial sites linked here no good to me. No Chrome browser... many other sites here don't work. Maybe it's crazy to expect the net to contain interesting websites that don't have wall-to-wall ads, tracking, require a subscription, or are limited to one specific browser. On the other hand, the web is an order of magnitude larger today than when I used to find such sites. If it were up to me, each link on HN would have a 'bad ux flag' button, and account settings would have a 'hide bad ux' filter. Then I would have the choice to browse HN without sifting through bad links myself.
  - LorenDB 2y ago
    > I don't want an X account, so X links are practically useless to me. And yet individual tweets can be read without an account. Of course, that doesn't work in this case as you will only see the first tweet in the thread, but you still can read a lot of HN submissions from Twitter.
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      True, but mostly if I find a tweet worth a click, it's a long enough tweet that its author split it into several parts... of which I can read only the first.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Nearly every tweet linked from HN is part of a thread because it's actually a blog post by someone who couldn't be bothered to have a proper blog.
  - katzinsky 2y ago
    >each link on HN would have a 'bad ux flag' button Do they check the github for PRs? That might be worth learning Arc for.

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mococa 2y ago

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LorenDB 2y ago
HN policy is that submissions always link to the primary source. Alternative proxy links (Thread Reader, archive.today, archive.org) are welcome in the comments, but as they are not the primary source, they should not be submitted as the HN topic.
- neilv 2y ago
  And, for whatever reason, Twitter/X links get upvoted on HN. Otherwise, eventually word would get out to content creators that, if they want exposure on HN, they'd have to put their content somewhere other than Twitter/X.
  - LorenDB 2y ago
    From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. If there's things on Twitter that are interesting, they may be submitted. Blocking Twitter would effectively block quite a few interesting submissions. Furthermore, most people don't go to Twitter to get HN upvotes; they're going there for likes and retweets.
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      Blocking Twitter would effectively block quite a few interesting submissions. Society has a problem with information overload these days, not information shortage. If X is a pain in the ass to browse then 'screw em' - most of what anyone posts there is, or gets, regurgitated via the other social media sites, anyways.
  - next_xibalba 2y ago
    Don’t you think they get upvoted bc other HN users don’t share your opinion on X links or outright disagree with you?
    - neilv 2y ago
      > Don’t you think they get upvoted bc other HN users don’t share your opinion on X links or outright disagree with you? I would guess that they get upvoted because people aren't aware of the concern, people are aware but disagree, people are aware and at least sorta disagree but didn't notice this time, or there's shill upvoting. Regardless of the reason, in theory, HN might have the power to change the behavior of Twitter/X posters.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      Most HN users comment on the title, not the content. The title and the xeet will have similar length anyway.
      - next_xibalba 2y ago
        Said another way, they either don’t mind or don’t care about X links.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    That will take a bit of time but I do flag and downvote whenever I can. I'm not going to signup to that to read 2 lines of text.
- cma 2y ago
  At what point is the front page all original source intranet links?
29athrowaway 2y ago
Right. What else do you propose? a large book burning? destroying libraries? X (formerly Twitter) has a large trove of valuable content that dates from the "Twitter 1.0" era as well.
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  Banning the media of an oligarch who supported book bans in public libraries would just sounds like karma to me.
  - 29athrowaway 2y ago
    Well, movies, music and video games have content rating, to the extent that a book that features tobacco use may be rated for certain audiences... For the sake of consistency, I would expect that a sexually explicit book would not be put in the hands of kids, same as we already do with other types of content such as music, movies and games. Now, there are books that should be banned. Like the Golden book of Chemistry Experiments and other books that can lead to potentially dangerous outcomes.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      Lots of harmless books were banned and curiously the Bible is exempted, but OK there's no problem and it's not censorship.
thomassmith65 2y ago
I don't want an X account, so X links are useless to me. I don't subscribe to subscriptions, so NYT links etc... useless to me. I block privacy-abusing domains... AlphaGoogle links etc are inaccessible. I won't disable my adblocker... many commercial sites linked here no good to me. No Chrome browser... many other sites here don't work. Maybe it's crazy to expect the net to contain interesting websites that don't have wall-to-wall ads, tracking, require a subscription, or are limited to one specific browser. On the other hand, the web is an order of magnitude larger today than when I used to find such sites. If it were up to me, each link on HN would have a 'bad ux flag' button, and account settings would have a 'hide bad ux' filter. Then I would have the choice to browse HN without sifting through bad links myself.
- LorenDB 2y ago
  > I don't want an X account, so X links are practically useless to me. And yet individual tweets can be read without an account. Of course, that doesn't work in this case as you will only see the first tweet in the thread, but you still can read a lot of HN submissions from Twitter.
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    True, but mostly if I find a tweet worth a click, it's a long enough tweet that its author split it into several parts... of which I can read only the first.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Nearly every tweet linked from HN is part of a thread because it's actually a blog post by someone who couldn't be bothered to have a proper blog.
- katzinsky 2y ago
  >each link on HN would have a 'bad ux flag' button Do they check the github for PRs? That might be worth learning Arc for.