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I like the modern world and its safety features. Things (cars, planes, food, etc.) are generally safer but I just do not really trust any of the people that wou

by tocs3 2y ago

I like the modern world and its safety features. Things (cars, planes, food, etc.) are generally safer but I just do not really trust any of the people that would be writing these rules. I fear the regulatory capture aspect of it and what it might mean to me trying to get to the grocery store. I only drive a three or four times a week (most of that is short duration rural driving). It is not that I think some one will take my car from me so much as the industry may just work to make everything not new obsolete. A new $30K car (or even $8$15K used) is a steep price for an individual to pay to meet regulations.

CuriousCosmic 2y ago
It's worth noting that this is 100% about providing more information to vehicles rather than requiring vehicles to use the feature. Think of it in the same category as driver assistance technologies (like radar cruise control, forward collision warning, lane assist, rear cross warnings, rear cameras, or blind spot warnings/cameras). It'll almost certainly never be mandatory to be road legal but it'll probably be a standard feature on most new vehicles.
- ItsBob 2y ago
  > It's worth noting that this is 100% about providing more information to vehicles rather than requiring vehicles to use the feature. I'm calling it here and now: this absolutely will become mandatory in the nearish future. 100%. Same as in Europe with the speed regulator thingy in the cars... advisory at first now mandatory in many places.
  - madrox 2y ago
    * For some definition of near and mandatory Even when they started mandating airbags in new vehicles, it took something like seven years to go into effect so car manufacturers had time to plan. And then they didn’t make cars that didn’t have airbags illegal. Even the most universally embraced ideas take time to roll out.
    - ItsBob 2y ago
      I agree: it won't happen overnight. It will happen within a handful of years though. Too much potential for control to let it pass...
    - pixxel 2y ago
      Airbags aren’t a useful tool for data/control.
    - micahdeath 2y ago
      We have to get the `internet` or some other network rolled out first.
  - whartung 2y ago
    Rear cameras are required now, or will be in a few years. Dunno if this is a California thing or national, but just like the third brake light, this is already happening. California is also working on legislation to require cars to be aware of where they are so they can notify the driver if they’re speeding.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  > It'll almost certainly never be mandatory to be road legal but it'll probably be a standard feature on most new vehicles. I think many of us said the same thing about backup cameras, but since 2018 you can't buy a car in the USA without one. So you have to get a screen in your car whether you want it or not.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    I think they meant legal to drive, not just required for new cars
trte9343r4 2y ago
We already have safety rules, but those are ignored! If you cycle into grocery store, you may get chased and attacked by dangerous dogs. Many people gave up cycling and jogging for that! And in grocery store more dogs and excrements! There are rules against all of that, yet it is widely ignored. Lidars will get vandalized pretty fast, because they will impede flow of traffic. Or thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy!
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  > thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy! We already have this thing, it’s called a red light. Is there a name for this, when people come up with a plausible sounding scenario for crime driven disaster, but it does not actually have basis in real world? The ‘razor blades in candy’ scares parents every Halloween but is completely made up and has never been reported. Peter Thiel had a similar moment on Joe Rogan podcast where he explained his elaborate social theory based on how chimps behave, but got the basics of chimp behaviour totally wrong TL DR: tech people suck at predicting human behaviour
  - spacebanana7 2y ago
    People do get kidnapped at traffic lights. Here's an incident of it happening in Florida a few months ago. The ability to arbitrarily stop vehicles would be very useful for this kind of crime because it could be done in less crowded areas. And criminals could more readily select for expensive vehicles, young women or whatever else they're wanting. [1] https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04/12/video-florida-woman-appears-to-be-carjacked-kidnapped-at-traffic-light https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04/12/video-florida-woman-a... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuo0jOcHJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuo0jOcHJA
    - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
      But the comparison we are making is different - do people create a fake traffic light, because that is really easy; and I have never heard of it happening. Ofcourse there are places where vehicles have to stop naturally, you can’t avoid that.

by tocs3 2y ago

CuriousCosmic 2y ago

It's worth noting that this is 100% about providing more information to vehicles rather than requiring vehicles to use the feature. Think of it in the same category as driver assistance technologies (like radar cruise control, forward collision warning, lane assist, rear cross warnings, rear cameras, or blind spot warnings/cameras). It'll almost certainly never be mandatory to be road legal but it'll probably be a standard feature on most new vehicles.

ItsBob 2y ago
> It's worth noting that this is 100% about providing more information to vehicles rather than requiring vehicles to use the feature. I'm calling it here and now: this absolutely will become mandatory in the nearish future. 100%. Same as in Europe with the speed regulator thingy in the cars... advisory at first now mandatory in many places.
- madrox 2y ago
  * For some definition of near and mandatory Even when they started mandating airbags in new vehicles, it took something like seven years to go into effect so car manufacturers had time to plan. And then they didn’t make cars that didn’t have airbags illegal. Even the most universally embraced ideas take time to roll out.
  - ItsBob 2y ago
    I agree: it won't happen overnight. It will happen within a handful of years though. Too much potential for control to let it pass...
  - pixxel 2y ago
    Airbags aren’t a useful tool for data/control.
  - micahdeath 2y ago
    We have to get the `internet` or some other network rolled out first.
- whartung 2y ago
  Rear cameras are required now, or will be in a few years. Dunno if this is a California thing or national, but just like the third brake light, this is already happening. California is also working on legislation to require cars to be aware of where they are so they can notify the driver if they’re speeding.
ryandrake 2y ago
> It'll almost certainly never be mandatory to be road legal but it'll probably be a standard feature on most new vehicles. I think many of us said the same thing about backup cameras, but since 2018 you can't buy a car in the USA without one. So you have to get a screen in your car whether you want it or not.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  I think they meant legal to drive, not just required for new cars

trte9343r4 2y ago

We already have safety rules, but those are ignored! If you cycle into grocery store, you may get chased and attacked by dangerous dogs. Many people gave up cycling and jogging for that! And in grocery store more dogs and excrements! There are rules against all of that, yet it is widely ignored. Lidars will get vandalized pretty fast, because they will impede flow of traffic. Or thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy!

ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy! We already have this thing, it’s called a red light. Is there a name for this, when people come up with a plausible sounding scenario for crime driven disaster, but it does not actually have basis in real world? The ‘razor blades in candy’ scares parents every Halloween but is completely made up and has never been reported. Peter Thiel had a similar moment on Joe Rogan podcast where he explained his elaborate social theory based on how chimps behave, but got the basics of chimp behaviour totally wrong TL DR: tech people suck at predicting human behaviour
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  People do get kidnapped at traffic lights. Here's an incident of it happening in Florida a few months ago. The ability to arbitrarily stop vehicles would be very useful for this kind of crime because it could be done in less crowded areas. And criminals could more readily select for expensive vehicles, young women or whatever else they're wanting. [1] https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04/12/video-florida-woman-appears-to-be-carjacked-kidnapped-at-traffic-light https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04/12/video-florida-woman-a... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuo0jOcHJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuo0jOcHJA
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    But the comparison we are making is different - do people create a fake traffic light, because that is really easy; and I have never heard of it happening. Ofcourse there are places where vehicles have to stop naturally, you can’t avoid that.