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Yesterdays aesthetic wasn't thick chunky pixels with outputs exactly matching the indexed palettes with wide color range. Sure, resolution was low and color cho

Yesterdays aesthetic wasn't thick chunky pixels with outputs exactly matching the indexed palettes with wide color range. Sure, resolution was low and color choice was limited... but so similarly limited was the way we transmitted and displayed things. These dithered polygon shadings turned into new colors, the blocky details into new smooth shapes, and the colors overall more muted than just popping the RGB value onto a modern screen would suggest. That's not to say this aesthetic is "bad" (I'm actually quite fond of it and similar styles too) but just that it's absolutely nothing like the emulated Star Fox screenshots being used as the target suggest. If yesterday's pixels is the goal then this is missing the main part of what made those pixels look the way they did. For those who haven't seen games like this on the typical technology of the era: this is a photo of LCD output using a similar path as taken here, a photo the same with a CRT emulation shader, and a photo of an actual CRT (don't take this one CRT to be gospel of what every CRT output from all of time looked like) https://i.imgur.com/lo8ytRq.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/lo8ytRq.jpeg

bitwize 2y ago
I know, right? It's like those people who listen to Zeppelin on CD or -- ugh -- streaming instead of how they were meant to be listened to: on vinyl.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  There's no right or wrong way to enjoy good content but if you're goal is to recreate the original aesthetic then "Hey Siri, play Stairway to Heaven remastered" isn't that.
  - dahart 2y ago
    Meh, the remastered version is what they wish they could have done the first time, and what they would have done if digital audio had been available. People have nostalgia for the limitations of tape and vinyl and radio, but that’s what they were, limitations, not an aesthetic choice.
    - zamadatix 2y ago
      I tend to prefer "improved" versions myself for the same reasons but I'm not sure I'd agree that just because there are limitations in a medium all of the choices in creating the art cease to be choices of aesthetics. E.g. the Star Fox devs certainly didn't want flatly shaded, low polygon models relying on dithering to increase a limited palette... but all of the choices they made as a result of that certainly led to a great, intentionally crafted, aesthetic - even if it wasn't the ideal aesthetic of the creators. In the same way creating an Unreal Engine 5 remake of Star Fox is probably a lot closer to what the creators would have really liked but would be almost completely unrelated to the aesthetic in place in the original.
TacticalCoder 2y ago
I was there and I think it's mostly fantasized that pixels were that different than the blocky pixels they were. I have a (still working) real vintage arcade cab from the mid-eighties, with an old, blurry CRT. It's amazing to play on that vintage cab (especially Robotron 2084 [1]) but it's not because of supposedly "blocky pixels not looking blocky". It's amazing because the joysticks are amazing. Standing is arguably cooler than sitting and then when things gets hectic, you'll physically "move" (or let say "shake") the cab by frantically going left/right/whatever. In the case of Robotron 2084 it's amazing because nothing today offers the same gameplay: you need two 8-directions joystick, on to move in one of 8 directions and the other joystick to fire in one of 8 directions. They don't make it like that today, unless you play a Robotron clone using actual arcade joystick. And even then: you better have a full-sized cab if you want the experience to be even more fun. Sure, we had scanlines and whatnots but it was still very close to blocky pixels shown today on a modern flat monitor without any shader (for example without artificially recreating the look of a CRT). Also the "blockiness" of them pixels back in the days was highly dependent on how old your CRT was. It's not as if there was "one correct bluriness" induced by CRT. Every CRT brand / age / model had different characteristics. To me the "supsension of disbelief" was there. For example I remember playing Sundog: The Frozen Legacy on the Atari ST. One of the best game ever made (by FTL, who then created Dungeon Master, which is basically the ancestor of all FPS games). When I was playing Sundog, I was a rogue space trader buying low/selling high, gun fighting in cities, etc. And I remember it as... Very blocky [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotron:_2084 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotron:_2084 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy
- zamadatix 2y ago
  Another thing that was/is very hard to replicate on common modern setups is that feeling of instant feedback you can get from quality (certainly not all) games at the time. The inputs were polled, there was no room for a 3 frame output buffer even if someone had wanted one, the displays didn't add a bunch of image processing time on top of it. You press fire and things fire, you dodge right and you move right. It wasn't truly instantaneous but it tended to be a lot better than a typical console+TV setup today (even in "game mode" on the TV). Worth noting Star Fox in particular was not one of these games... it was... struggling to do the output 3D at a fast or consistent rate even with the extra chip :). Again, not that all games were like this just it can be hard to replicate the feel of the ones that were with different technologies. Run-ahead is one way to bridge the last bit of that gap on many average systems these days. And you're 100% right there is no "correct blurriness" for CRT. When I say "don't take this one CRT to be gospel of what every CRT output from all of time looked like" I mean it - some CRTs, particularly for computer style displays instead of TV style displays, were relatively sharp. And a high end barely used CRT from the late 90s is probably a lot less blurry than a low end and heavily used one from the early 80s, everything else equivalent about them. That said, Star Fox had expectations of both being output on consumer TVs as well as through the SNES video output which wasn't particularly sharp itself anyways. Another classic example of this in home game consoles is the waterfalls in the Genesis era Sonic games. If you play them on a modern display it looks more like a sharp set of blue and white door bead curtains. If you play it on a typical CRT television it looks more like shimmering water falling (not perfectly but the bright single pixel whites are not so perfectly contrasted and there is some blur between the vertical lines with the background instead of a straight alternation).
mikae1 2y ago
What shader’s that? Tried CRT-Royale[1]? [1] https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale
raytopia 2y ago
On home consoles smoothed pixels were common due to CRTs but for the handheld world sharp pixels were the reality. So if you played any 3D DS or GBA games the output would look similar to the results in the article just with a larger color palette.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  This is a good point, handhelds were indeed sharp (barring a rabbit hole about temporal smearing on some of the ancient Gameboy era ones). That said, they were actually pretty visually sharp too, not really the chunk-ified aesthetic you see added here. E.g. the GBA was 240x160 in 2.9" so ~100 DPI. To display that in the same aesthetic on the modern web you can just render 1x since it assumes about the same virtualized render density (96 DPI). If you blow it up to have chunky pixels as here it's again not about the original aesthetic and more about creating a cool pixelated render.
  - philistine 2y ago
    All devices with the name Game Boy have some level of temporal smearing. It’s just that the newer devices’ display lag might not be perceived by everyone.

bitwize 2y ago

I know, right? It's like those people who listen to Zeppelin on CD or -- ugh -- streaming instead of how they were meant to be listened to: on vinyl.

zamadatix 2y ago
There's no right or wrong way to enjoy good content but if you're goal is to recreate the original aesthetic then "Hey Siri, play Stairway to Heaven remastered" isn't that.
- dahart 2y ago
  Meh, the remastered version is what they wish they could have done the first time, and what they would have done if digital audio had been available. People have nostalgia for the limitations of tape and vinyl and radio, but that’s what they were, limitations, not an aesthetic choice.
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    I tend to prefer "improved" versions myself for the same reasons but I'm not sure I'd agree that just because there are limitations in a medium all of the choices in creating the art cease to be choices of aesthetics. E.g. the Star Fox devs certainly didn't want flatly shaded, low polygon models relying on dithering to increase a limited palette... but all of the choices they made as a result of that certainly led to a great, intentionally crafted, aesthetic - even if it wasn't the ideal aesthetic of the creators. In the same way creating an Unreal Engine 5 remake of Star Fox is probably a lot closer to what the creators would have really liked but would be almost completely unrelated to the aesthetic in place in the original.

TacticalCoder 2y ago

I was there and I think it's mostly fantasized that pixels were that different than the blocky pixels they were. I have a (still working) real vintage arcade cab from the mid-eighties, with an old, blurry CRT. It's amazing to play on that vintage cab (especially Robotron 2084 [1]) but it's not because of supposedly "blocky pixels not looking blocky". It's amazing because the joysticks are amazing. Standing is arguably cooler than sitting and then when things gets hectic, you'll physically "move" (or let say "shake") the cab by frantically going left/right/whatever. In the case of Robotron 2084 it's amazing because nothing today offers the same gameplay: you need two 8-directions joystick, on to move in one of 8 directions and the other joystick to fire in one of 8 directions. They don't make it like that today, unless you play a Robotron clone using actual arcade joystick. And even then: you better have a full-sized cab if you want the experience to be even more fun. Sure, we had scanlines and whatnots but it was still very close to blocky pixels shown today on a modern flat monitor without any shader (for example without artificially recreating the look of a CRT). Also the "blockiness" of them pixels back in the days was highly dependent on how old your CRT was. It's not as if there was "one correct bluriness" induced by CRT. Every CRT brand / age / model had different characteristics. To me the "supsension of disbelief" was there. For example I remember playing Sundog: The Frozen Legacy on the Atari ST. One of the best game ever made (by FTL, who then created Dungeon Master, which is basically the ancestor of all FPS games). When I was playing Sundog, I was a rogue space trader buying low/selling high, gun fighting in cities, etc. And I remember it as... Very blocky [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotron:_2084 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotron:_2084 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy

zamadatix 2y ago
Another thing that was/is very hard to replicate on common modern setups is that feeling of instant feedback you can get from quality (certainly not all) games at the time. The inputs were polled, there was no room for a 3 frame output buffer even if someone had wanted one, the displays didn't add a bunch of image processing time on top of it. You press fire and things fire, you dodge right and you move right. It wasn't truly instantaneous but it tended to be a lot better than a typical console+TV setup today (even in "game mode" on the TV). Worth noting Star Fox in particular was not one of these games... it was... struggling to do the output 3D at a fast or consistent rate even with the extra chip :). Again, not that all games were like this just it can be hard to replicate the feel of the ones that were with different technologies. Run-ahead is one way to bridge the last bit of that gap on many average systems these days. And you're 100% right there is no "correct blurriness" for CRT. When I say "don't take this one CRT to be gospel of what every CRT output from all of time looked like" I mean it - some CRTs, particularly for computer style displays instead of TV style displays, were relatively sharp. And a high end barely used CRT from the late 90s is probably a lot less blurry than a low end and heavily used one from the early 80s, everything else equivalent about them. That said, Star Fox had expectations of both being output on consumer TVs as well as through the SNES video output which wasn't particularly sharp itself anyways. Another classic example of this in home game consoles is the waterfalls in the Genesis era Sonic games. If you play them on a modern display it looks more like a sharp set of blue and white door bead curtains. If you play it on a typical CRT television it looks more like shimmering water falling (not perfectly but the bright single pixel whites are not so perfectly contrasted and there is some blur between the vertical lines with the background instead of a straight alternation).

mikae1 2y ago

What shader’s that? Tried CRT-Royale[1]? [1] https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale

raytopia 2y ago

On home consoles smoothed pixels were common due to CRTs but for the handheld world sharp pixels were the reality. So if you played any 3D DS or GBA games the output would look similar to the results in the article just with a larger color palette.

zamadatix 2y ago
This is a good point, handhelds were indeed sharp (barring a rabbit hole about temporal smearing on some of the ancient Gameboy era ones). That said, they were actually pretty visually sharp too, not really the chunk-ified aesthetic you see added here. E.g. the GBA was 240x160 in 2.9" so ~100 DPI. To display that in the same aesthetic on the modern web you can just render 1x since it assumes about the same virtualized render density (96 DPI). If you blow it up to have chunky pixels as here it's again not about the original aesthetic and more about creating a cool pixelated render.
- philistine 2y ago
  All devices with the name Game Boy have some level of temporal smearing. It’s just that the newer devices’ display lag might not be perceived by everyone.