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> I'm sorry I can't as I've signed an NDA Surely the company you worked for can't be the only one replacing people with these tools. What about the companies t

> I'm sorry I can't as I've signed an NDA Surely the company you worked for can't be the only one replacing people with these tools. What about the companies that actually have thousands of devs on their payroll? > What you describe are the previous generation of AI tools which were using you as training Do these new generation AI tools have names, mentions, parent companies? Or is everything in this shadow realm covered by NDA and I, as a mere mortal, cannot access? > Not even Indians are safe. What does this even mean?

GeoAtreides 2y ago
>> Not even Indians are safe. > What does this even mean? You know, I'm genuinely curious; do you honestly not understand what OP meant or are you actually disagreeing with OP by asking a rhetorical question?
- ThalesX 2y ago
  I honestly don't understand what he meant with the Indians part.
  - danaris 2y ago
    The last wave of companies trying to save money on programming labor was outsourcing the jobs to India. Deisteve appears to be claiming that LLM-based techniques for automating programming will be cheap and effective enough that even that kind of outsourcing will be unprofitable by comparison.
    - deisteve 2y ago
      Correct.
    - ThalesX 2y ago
      Then I find this to be a totally unnecessary addition to a claim that they've replaced frontenders and testers with LLM. Of course no one is safe if they've actually achieved that (with no proof given) so obviously Indian programmers are not safe. Neither are east european ones, Indonesian ones, or American ones for that matter. For the (unsubstantiated) claim that actual humans have been replaced. It's like Tesla creating a full self driving car (level 5) and ending the promotional video with "Not even rickshaw drivers are safe". Just fluff.
      - deisteve 2y ago
        You are in Europe so you may not be aware of the situation in North America especially Canada and the government mandated surge of migrants from India and the tensions it has created. > Neither are east european ones, Indonesian ones, or American ones for that matter. For the (unsubstantiated) claim that actual humans have been replaced. The representation of Indonesian workers here is nil. Eastern European migrants are also unable to compete with the suppressed wages that Indian migrants can fill. It's an overwhelming motif playing out across all industries. You can take a look at the scale of the exploitation of Indian migrant labour for reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41284574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41284574
        ThalesX 2y ago
        You answer this to me, but then you also answer 'correct' to the post I am replying to that mentions outsourcing, which is a totally different beast than Indian immigrants. This discussion is also away from my initial intent which was to find out any sort of source, whether it be a press release, a research paper, anything related to your claim of frontenders and testers being replaced. I would still appreciate such an answer. Though I expect I'll be disappointed.
        deisteve 2y ago
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    - CRConrad 2y ago
      Seems to me precisely those jobs will be more at risk than others. If something is simple enough to be semi-automated by writing scripts for low-trained humans, it's more likely to be simple enough to be fully automated by LLM "AI" than more complex jobs would be.

GeoAtreides 2y ago

>> Not even Indians are safe. > What does this even mean? You know, I'm genuinely curious; do you honestly not understand what OP meant or are you actually disagreeing with OP by asking a rhetorical question?

ThalesX 2y ago
I honestly don't understand what he meant with the Indians part.
- danaris 2y ago
  The last wave of companies trying to save money on programming labor was outsourcing the jobs to India. Deisteve appears to be claiming that LLM-based techniques for automating programming will be cheap and effective enough that even that kind of outsourcing will be unprofitable by comparison.
  - deisteve 2y ago
    Correct.
  - ThalesX 2y ago
    Then I find this to be a totally unnecessary addition to a claim that they've replaced frontenders and testers with LLM. Of course no one is safe if they've actually achieved that (with no proof given) so obviously Indian programmers are not safe. Neither are east european ones, Indonesian ones, or American ones for that matter. For the (unsubstantiated) claim that actual humans have been replaced. It's like Tesla creating a full self driving car (level 5) and ending the promotional video with "Not even rickshaw drivers are safe". Just fluff.
    - deisteve 2y ago
      You are in Europe so you may not be aware of the situation in North America especially Canada and the government mandated surge of migrants from India and the tensions it has created. > Neither are east european ones, Indonesian ones, or American ones for that matter. For the (unsubstantiated) claim that actual humans have been replaced. The representation of Indonesian workers here is nil. Eastern European migrants are also unable to compete with the suppressed wages that Indian migrants can fill. It's an overwhelming motif playing out across all industries. You can take a look at the scale of the exploitation of Indian migrant labour for reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41284574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41284574
      - ThalesX 2y ago
        You answer this to me, but then you also answer 'correct' to the post I am replying to that mentions outsourcing, which is a totally different beast than Indian immigrants. This discussion is also away from my initial intent which was to find out any sort of source, whether it be a press release, a research paper, anything related to your claim of frontenders and testers being replaced. I would still appreciate such an answer. Though I expect I'll be disappointed.
        deisteve 2y ago
        k
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    Seems to me precisely those jobs will be more at risk than others. If something is simple enough to be semi-automated by writing scripts for low-trained humans, it's more likely to be simple enough to be fully automated by LLM "AI" than more complex jobs would be.