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Oh, user separation is not a security boundary? I was not aware! Let’s all work as root then! /s The fact that this was the norm on single-user Windows worksta

by fuzzy2 2y ago

Oh, user separation is not a security boundary? I was not aware! Let’s all work as root then! /s The fact that this was the norm on single-user Windows workstations until Windows Vista is astonishing, to say the least. How anyone could want that back is beyond me. It enabled malware to compromise the entirety of the computer with ease. No exploits or anything required! Certainly not one of these pesky UAC prompts! Can you still shoot yourself in the foot with UAC? Yes. You own the PC. You should be able to shoot yourself in the foot, by willingly deciding to. Not accidentally.

actsof 2y ago
From https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/windows-security/disable-user-account-control https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-serve... >One of the common misconceptions about UAC and Same-desktop Elevation in particular is: it prevents malware from being installed, or from gaining administrative rights. First, malware can be written not to require administrative rights. And malware can be written to write just to areas in the user's profile. More important, Same-desktop Elevation in UAC isn't a security boundary. It can be hijacked by unprivileged software that runs on the same desktop. Same-desktop Elevation should be considered a convenience feature. From a security perspective, Protected Administrator should be considered the equivalent of Administrator. By contrast, using Fast User Switching to sign in to a different session by using an administrator account involves a security boundary between the administrator account and the standard user session. UAC is not a security boundary, it's not the same thing as sudo on Unix. You only have a security boundary in place if Windows asks you for a password when trying to run as Administrator.
- nerfnet 2y ago
  > UAC is not a security boundary You might be mistaken because what you are quoting specifically talks about Same-desktop Elevation. While on Windows, UAC uses Secure Desktop by default, which is by definition a security boundary. > You only have a security boundary in place if Windows asks you for a password when trying to run as Administrator. Per the last sentence of the information that you quoted: > By contrast, using Fast User Switching to sign in to a different session by using an administrator account involves a security boundary between the administrator account and the standard user session. Fast User Switching requires the user to enter the administrator credentials in the UAC prompt.
garaetjjte 2y ago
https://xkcd.com/1200/ https://xkcd.com/1200/

by fuzzy2 2y ago

actsof 2y ago

From https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/windows-security/disable-user-account-control https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-serve... >One of the common misconceptions about UAC and Same-desktop Elevation in particular is: it prevents malware from being installed, or from gaining administrative rights. First, malware can be written not to require administrative rights. And malware can be written to write just to areas in the user's profile. More important, Same-desktop Elevation in UAC isn't a security boundary. It can be hijacked by unprivileged software that runs on the same desktop. Same-desktop Elevation should be considered a convenience feature. From a security perspective, Protected Administrator should be considered the equivalent of Administrator. By contrast, using Fast User Switching to sign in to a different session by using an administrator account involves a security boundary between the administrator account and the standard user session. UAC is not a security boundary, it's not the same thing as sudo on Unix. You only have a security boundary in place if Windows asks you for a password when trying to run as Administrator.

nerfnet 2y ago
> UAC is not a security boundary You might be mistaken because what you are quoting specifically talks about Same-desktop Elevation. While on Windows, UAC uses Secure Desktop by default, which is by definition a security boundary. > You only have a security boundary in place if Windows asks you for a password when trying to run as Administrator. Per the last sentence of the information that you quoted: > By contrast, using Fast User Switching to sign in to a different session by using an administrator account involves a security boundary between the administrator account and the standard user session. Fast User Switching requires the user to enter the administrator credentials in the UAC prompt.

garaetjjte 2y ago

https://xkcd.com/1200/ https://xkcd.com/1200/