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ATC here. It's not always because someone is grumpy or for formal discipline. I only gave a Brasher Warning one time, only because my trainer told me to. I s
by meowster 2y ago
ATC here. It's not always because someone is grumpy or for formal discipline.
I only gave a Brasher Warning one time, only because my trainer told me to. I suppose it depends on the culture/facility, but where I learned it, they had more of the attitude that it was to have an informal conversation to find out what happened and what the pilot and/or controller can do differently next time.
After my supervisor talked with the pilot and listened to the tapes, we discovered that my control instruction was ambiguous and that I should be more clear next time (and the pilot should follow the minimum altitudes on the approach plate).
- repiret 2y agoA good point indeed! There are certainly grumpy controllers and a time for discipline, but there is a strong culture around continuous improvement and safety throughout aviation. A phone number from a controller is not nearly as adversarial as, say, getting pulled over by highway patrol, even though in a lot of ways the two events are analogous.
- leetrout 2y agoI landed at a class C (KAVL) without switching to tower from approach. I don't think they were training controllers that day but the same two controllers were on both freqs... rolled off and sent my call "off at echo" and got a nice "traffic calling approach say again". Didn't get the dreaded number to call on the air since they knew the school... filed a NASA report and nothing else came of it. mistakes happen. Related, on a check ride with the chief instructor while a controller was training he absolutely chewed the controller out on the air for giving me an immediate turn instruction at ~350' AGL. I don't think that was called for and it made me feel horrible and made the rest of the flight awkward. But from that day on I was much more comfortable with a simple "unable" when I got weird requests.
- robertlagrant 2y ago> After my supervisor talked with the pilot and listened to the tapes, we discovered that my control instruction was ambiguous and that I should be more clear next time This sounds like a slightly painful process, but I bet it saves a lot of lives. Amazing.