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And great dietary magnesium sources like spinach and black beans.

by wyldfire 2y ago

frithsun 2y ago
Gonna stick with my gummies, thanks.
songbird23 2y ago
except the oxalates in spinach
29athrowaway 2y ago
They are not mutually exclusive. And if you will be drinking water and consuming diuretics like tea or coffee and picking a stressful occupation like tech you're better off having a supplement in addition to your dietary magnesium. Better that than the self reinforcing doom loop of stress + diuretics + magnesium deficiency = mental health crisis
- sph 2y ago
  Add the double whammy effect of tannins in tea, coffee, wine: "Tannic acid (TA) is an organic compound belonging to the tannin group. [...] It can also form complexes with mineral components, reducing their absorption. In some cases, this can be beneficial, such as in the case of toxic metals, but sometimes it may have a detrimental effect on the body when it involves essential mineral components like Ca, P, Mg, Na, K, or Fe." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10609055/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10609055/ The effect of phytochemicals in our diets, the only form of defense plants have against being eaten, is severely under-researched, and completely ignored by most drive-by dietary advice. As I said elsewhere, cooking helps, but the dose makes the poison. You won't fare well with a diet of beans, spinach and a ton of coffee or tea, that's for sure.
sph 2y ago
That has to be sarcasm, right? Beans and spinach are the worst vegetable re: mineral absorption. Don't eat a ton of beans if you care about your iron or magnesium levels. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid "Phytic acid and phytate have a strong binding affinity to the dietary minerals calcium, iron, and zinc, inhibiting their absorption in the small intestine. It is also present in many legumes, cereals, and grains." These are chemical bio-defenses developed by the plant to stop being eaten. Cooking reduces the levels somewhat, but it's like suggesting to eat Fugu to increase your Omega 3 levels. There are better sources.
- loa_in_ 2y ago
  I hope you know that while it's true what you say, the effects last for as little as two hours. You can eat black beans for one meal and your next meal won't be affected.
  - sph 2y ago
    Well of course, the effect lasts as long as the food in question is being digested. The point is, it impacts the absorption of nutrients in the same meal, and the quantity of nutrients found in beans is exaggerated given that other compounds impair their absorption.
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  You need to be more quantitative if you want to make the point you’re making. Fear of anti nutrients is usually a comorbitity of spending too much time in certain social media circles, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/ If magnesium from plants is so hard to come by due to scary chemicals, how come it’s not a nutrient of concern for plant based eaters? They tend to have better magnesium levels if anything. Random example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15454974/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15454974/

And great dietary magnesium sources like spinach and black beans.

frithsun 2y ago

Gonna stick with my gummies, thanks.

songbird23 2y ago

except the oxalates in spinach

29athrowaway 2y ago

They are not mutually exclusive. And if you will be drinking water and consuming diuretics like tea or coffee and picking a stressful occupation like tech you're better off having a supplement in addition to your dietary magnesium. Better that than the self reinforcing doom loop of stress + diuretics + magnesium deficiency = mental health crisis

sph 2y ago
Add the double whammy effect of tannins in tea, coffee, wine: "Tannic acid (TA) is an organic compound belonging to the tannin group. [...] It can also form complexes with mineral components, reducing their absorption. In some cases, this can be beneficial, such as in the case of toxic metals, but sometimes it may have a detrimental effect on the body when it involves essential mineral components like Ca, P, Mg, Na, K, or Fe." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10609055/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10609055/ The effect of phytochemicals in our diets, the only form of defense plants have against being eaten, is severely under-researched, and completely ignored by most drive-by dietary advice. As I said elsewhere, cooking helps, but the dose makes the poison. You won't fare well with a diet of beans, spinach and a ton of coffee or tea, that's for sure.

sph 2y ago

That has to be sarcasm, right? Beans and spinach are the worst vegetable re: mineral absorption. Don't eat a ton of beans if you care about your iron or magnesium levels. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid "Phytic acid and phytate have a strong binding affinity to the dietary minerals calcium, iron, and zinc, inhibiting their absorption in the small intestine. It is also present in many legumes, cereals, and grains." These are chemical bio-defenses developed by the plant to stop being eaten. Cooking reduces the levels somewhat, but it's like suggesting to eat Fugu to increase your Omega 3 levels. There are better sources.

loa_in_ 2y ago
I hope you know that while it's true what you say, the effects last for as little as two hours. You can eat black beans for one meal and your next meal won't be affected.
- sph 2y ago
  Well of course, the effect lasts as long as the food in question is being digested. The point is, it impacts the absorption of nutrients in the same meal, and the quantity of nutrients found in beans is exaggerated given that other compounds impair their absorption.
hombre_fatal 2y ago
You need to be more quantitative if you want to make the point you’re making. Fear of anti nutrients is usually a comorbitity of spending too much time in certain social media circles, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/ If magnesium from plants is so hard to come by due to scary chemicals, how come it’s not a nutrient of concern for plant based eaters? They tend to have better magnesium levels if anything. Random example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15454974/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15454974/