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> Overloading the discussion of the bylaws change (47 out of 177 posts in topic... Was there a rule that prohibits that? > concepts not backed by empirical ev
by lostmsu 2y ago
> Overloading the discussion of the bylaws change (47 out of 177 posts in topic...
Was there a rule that prohibits that?
> concepts not backed by empirical evidence
You can see evidence with your own eyes right here: https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/10k31w3/d_iclr_now_has_a_track_with_racebased_and_more/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/10k31w3/d_...
> Making light ... which could be interpreted as harassment or creating an unwelcoming environment
No comment needed
> Discussing bans or removals of community members
Similar to violation of later Russian law that prohibits criticizing the government.
> Dismissing unacceptable behavior of others as a “neurodivergent” trait, which is problematic because it creates a stereotype that neurodivergent people are hard to interact with and need special treatment.
Sounds bad, but really hard to judge without examples.
> Excessive discussion of controversial topics or past conflicts
Was there a rule that prohibits that?
> Use of potentially offensive terms
Is this like a kitchen knife "potential instrument of murder", or "he said something we think might have offended someone else. We don't have anyone complaining yet, but let's ban just in case"?
> Making assumptions or speculations about other community members’ motivations and/or mental health.
> Casually mentioning scenarios involving sexual abuse, which may be inappropriate or triggering for some audiences.
These two are problematic, but the first one may be valid depending on actual circumstances (e.g. if his assumption or speculations were correct, then there's nothing to blame the person for).
- belZaah 2y agoThe neurodivergence part got to me. Almost by definition, it takes effort (i.e, is harder) to interact with a person that’s different. So why is it controversial to say it takes effort to interact with a neurodivergent person. As one myself, I can certainly say it takes a _lot_ of effort the other way. Talking to normal people is exhausting!
- zahlman 2y agoMy general experience with the forum - rather, with people who have social power in the Python community - is that they really don't make much of an attempt to accommodate neurodiversity. It's not even clear that they really understand what that would entail. In particular, an entire discussion of how to do so (see Mr. Peters' thread https://discuss.python.org/t/how-can-we-better-support-neurodivergent-newcomers-to-the-community/58724 https://discuss.python.org/t/how-can-we-better-support-neuro... ) was mis-cast as an attempt to petition for allowing more "slack" to neurodivergent forum users. But that simply wasn't the argument. Mr. Peters and I, and others such as Chris Angelico, repeatedly emphasized that their communication is lacking, and when they do say what they mean, they are extraordinarily closed-minded about it. I expect to have a lengthy blog article about this at some point, but it probably be rather challenging to express everything precisely.