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> Rumble has been blocked in Brazil for over a year, and WhatsApp and Telegram have been briefly blocked multiple times. It's a near certainty those who are st

> Rumble has been blocked in Brazil for over a year, and WhatsApp and Telegram have been briefly blocked multiple times. It's a near certainty those who are still operating are obeying censorship / takedown requests by the Brazilian government. Elon Musk said the EU Commission tried to attack X: "It'd be too bad if you were to get big fines uh!? So take down any content we ask you to take down and in exchange we'll make sure you don't get those fines". These are mafia tactics and it makes me ashamed to be an EU citizen. This has nothing to do with democracy: it's its opposite. Dictatorship. "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech..." People, worldwide, are beginning to understand the importance of the first amendment. I do genuinely fear that very soon people in several countries (including mine) may learn the hard way what the lack of the second amendment leads to.

Barrin92 2y ago
I don't think there's a lot of democracy in having some gazillionaire buy a social media platform and then interfere in the politics of other sovereign nations/continents. As a EU citizen I hope we get rid of Twitter at some point and build a sovereign communications infrastructure and domestic firms abiding by our local laws, because that is what a democracy is about.
- brightball 2y ago
  But that’s happening everywhere on every social platform isn’t it? The very act of going along with censorship requests interferes with the politics of a nation by silencing opposition.
  - Barrin92 2y ago
    Not any more, most social media platforms nowadays seem to be capable of enforcing local laws. The act of following lawful takedown requests isn't political, it's literally just enforcing the law of the land, the bare minimum any foreign company has to do if it wants to do business anywhere. There's obviously also no reason to assume this has anything to do with any opposition, Twitter can't even make sure anything that's posted on that site is even posted by people, let alone citizens of their respective jurisdictions. Having Elon Musk on the one side and bots from a basement in Moscow on the other set your country's conversation is many things but certainly not democratic.
    - stctw 2y ago
      You seem to envision a world in which one would have to physically travel outside the borders of your nation in order to hear what people outside the nation think. Do you also propose that foreign printed media be banned in your nation? What if a foreigner writes a letter to a citizen in your nation and attaches a clipping of a magazine article that criticizes your government? Should the letter be confiscated? Should all mail be opened and censored by your government? How would that be any different than life was in Soviet Russia and East Germany? Do you really propose regressing to that, now in the 21st century, after all the oppressive atrocities perpetrated in the 20th?
      - Barrin92 2y ago
        I don't, what kind of strawman is that? What I propose is that foreigners play by the same rules domestic citizens do, no more no less. When in Rome do as the Romans do is what I propose, so as long as foreign outlets abide by the laws and rules of the country they want to do business in they should be able to freely publish. But when they think that they don't need to do that because they're convinced the American first amendment somehow applies in Brazil or the European Union and that American businessmen get to make the rules instead of national governments then you show them where the door is, that is all.
- refurb 2y ago
  “Interfere in the politics of other sovereign nations/continents”? Europeans are choosing to use X. Nobody is forcing them. And it seem odd to blame someone in another country for voicing their opinion. It certainly isn’t Musks statement that causing social unrest. It just threw a twig on an already burning fire cause by government policy.
  - phatfish 2y ago
    It's "only" the richest man in the world fanning the flames globally of his favourite wedge issues (which for some reason are all far right memes), great.
    - refurb 2y ago
      So you’re upset that people read Elon’s tweets? “Fanning the flames”? You mean sharing his opinion? Would it be ok if he wasn’t rich? I don’t understand your point
      - phatfish 2y ago
        > So you’re upset that people read Elon’s tweets? Not really upset other people read them. Disappointed he doesn't have more constructive things to say to the people that do listen to him though. > “Fanning the flames”? You mean sharing his opinion? He can share his opinion, but there are ways do it that don't involve riling people up. > Would it be ok if he wasn’t rich? Yes, money is power. No one cares about me posting here, if it was Musk it would be (sadly) global news. > I don’t understand your point Musk is helping start the fire, he should be more responsible in his position of power.
        falleng0d 2y ago
        That’s when you realize that rich people are just normal people with money. There is no moral code that say they must act like rich people.
        deleted 2y ago
muaytimbo 2y ago
2nd amendment protects the 1st. You either have both or neither.
- kelnos 2y ago
  It's hilarious that you think an armed rebellion in the US would stand even the smallest chance of success against the US military.
  - MrMan 2y ago
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  - xienze 2y ago
    And yet in the same breath we have people seriously claiming that the US government was >this< close to being overthrown by a bunch of unarmed boomers on January 6th.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    Worked for Afghanistan
    - hindsightbias 2y ago
      They had an appropriate BMI.
    - muaytimbo 2y ago
      and vietnam.
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    the US military does poorly against guerrilla warfare my friend
  - stctw 2y ago
    There already was a civil war in the US, and that's not how it happened. What's strange is that anyone thinks that a second one would be a matter of the US Army vs. the People, irrelevant to the States. It's a non-sequitur. Anyway, let us pray that it never comes to that, as much as our enemies would like it to. Imagine how giddy the CCP would be.
gcbirzan 2y ago
You're ashamed to be an EU citizen because the EU is asking X to take down posts instigating racial violence? Well, good riddance is all I can tell you...
- ESTheComposer 2y ago
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- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Instigating is subjective. If you say ‘what is going on here?’ in the wrong tone of voice, authorities can say it’s instigation.
  - immibis 2y ago
    You can also instigate by saying "what is going on here?" in the wrong tone of voice.
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      /finger pistols

Barrin92 2y ago

I don't think there's a lot of democracy in having some gazillionaire buy a social media platform and then interfere in the politics of other sovereign nations/continents. As a EU citizen I hope we get rid of Twitter at some point and build a sovereign communications infrastructure and domestic firms abiding by our local laws, because that is what a democracy is about.

brightball 2y ago
But that’s happening everywhere on every social platform isn’t it? The very act of going along with censorship requests interferes with the politics of a nation by silencing opposition.
- Barrin92 2y ago
  Not any more, most social media platforms nowadays seem to be capable of enforcing local laws. The act of following lawful takedown requests isn't political, it's literally just enforcing the law of the land, the bare minimum any foreign company has to do if it wants to do business anywhere. There's obviously also no reason to assume this has anything to do with any opposition, Twitter can't even make sure anything that's posted on that site is even posted by people, let alone citizens of their respective jurisdictions. Having Elon Musk on the one side and bots from a basement in Moscow on the other set your country's conversation is many things but certainly not democratic.
  - stctw 2y ago
    You seem to envision a world in which one would have to physically travel outside the borders of your nation in order to hear what people outside the nation think. Do you also propose that foreign printed media be banned in your nation? What if a foreigner writes a letter to a citizen in your nation and attaches a clipping of a magazine article that criticizes your government? Should the letter be confiscated? Should all mail be opened and censored by your government? How would that be any different than life was in Soviet Russia and East Germany? Do you really propose regressing to that, now in the 21st century, after all the oppressive atrocities perpetrated in the 20th?
    - Barrin92 2y ago
      I don't, what kind of strawman is that? What I propose is that foreigners play by the same rules domestic citizens do, no more no less. When in Rome do as the Romans do is what I propose, so as long as foreign outlets abide by the laws and rules of the country they want to do business in they should be able to freely publish. But when they think that they don't need to do that because they're convinced the American first amendment somehow applies in Brazil or the European Union and that American businessmen get to make the rules instead of national governments then you show them where the door is, that is all.
refurb 2y ago
“Interfere in the politics of other sovereign nations/continents”? Europeans are choosing to use X. Nobody is forcing them. And it seem odd to blame someone in another country for voicing their opinion. It certainly isn’t Musks statement that causing social unrest. It just threw a twig on an already burning fire cause by government policy.
- phatfish 2y ago
  It's "only" the richest man in the world fanning the flames globally of his favourite wedge issues (which for some reason are all far right memes), great.
  - refurb 2y ago
    So you’re upset that people read Elon’s tweets? “Fanning the flames”? You mean sharing his opinion? Would it be ok if he wasn’t rich? I don’t understand your point
    - phatfish 2y ago
      > So you’re upset that people read Elon’s tweets? Not really upset other people read them. Disappointed he doesn't have more constructive things to say to the people that do listen to him though. > “Fanning the flames”? You mean sharing his opinion? He can share his opinion, but there are ways do it that don't involve riling people up. > Would it be ok if he wasn’t rich? Yes, money is power. No one cares about me posting here, if it was Musk it would be (sadly) global news. > I don’t understand your point Musk is helping start the fire, he should be more responsible in his position of power.
      - falleng0d 2y ago
        That’s when you realize that rich people are just normal people with money. There is no moral code that say they must act like rich people.
        deleted 2y ago

muaytimbo 2y ago

2nd amendment protects the 1st. You either have both or neither.

kelnos 2y ago
It's hilarious that you think an armed rebellion in the US would stand even the smallest chance of success against the US military.
- MrMan 2y ago
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- xienze 2y ago
  And yet in the same breath we have people seriously claiming that the US government was >this< close to being overthrown by a bunch of unarmed boomers on January 6th.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Worked for Afghanistan
  - hindsightbias 2y ago
    They had an appropriate BMI.
  - muaytimbo 2y ago
    and vietnam.
- ekianjo 2y ago
  the US military does poorly against guerrilla warfare my friend
- stctw 2y ago
  There already was a civil war in the US, and that's not how it happened. What's strange is that anyone thinks that a second one would be a matter of the US Army vs. the People, irrelevant to the States. It's a non-sequitur. Anyway, let us pray that it never comes to that, as much as our enemies would like it to. Imagine how giddy the CCP would be.

gcbirzan 2y ago

You're ashamed to be an EU citizen because the EU is asking X to take down posts instigating racial violence? Well, good riddance is all I can tell you...

ESTheComposer 2y ago
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mensetmanusman 2y ago
Instigating is subjective. If you say ‘what is going on here?’ in the wrong tone of voice, authorities can say it’s instigation.
- immibis 2y ago
  You can also instigate by saying "what is going on here?" in the wrong tone of voice.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    /finger pistols