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Who is saying the US is the most imperialist and the most militarist country? They do have the highest military budget, I’ll give you that. What else?

ein0p 2y ago
Approximately 1 million victims (mostly civilian) just in this century, with trillions spent on wars. Multiple continuous wars since WW2. Iraq (2x), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti. Multiple proxy wars on top of that. Need I continue?
- illiac786 2y ago
  oh, I don’t debate the US have done quite a bite of imperialism and horrible things. I’m talking about today though.
  - lenkite 2y ago
    Umm.. merrily bombing the middle east ? There are occupation bases in Syria merrily looting oil. And selling $20 billion in weapons to bomb the middle east even more. Americans seem to have blinkers the size of titanosaurs and a "I cannot see it" attitude when it comes to their military.
    - illiac786 2y ago
      Merrily is a slightly biased way of putting it I would say, but ok, it does happen, one can dispute why. Looting oil in Syria, I didn’t know this, do you have a source? Now, we are comparing, right, so let’s list what china is doing, shall we? Invading multiple neighbouring countries? Check. (Isn’t that the definition of imperialism?) Exterminating populations considered hostile? Check. And I’m not even talking about Africa, where “colonialism” wouldn’t necessarily be an exaggeration. I do think that, today, China is the most imperialist. The US is far from a model, mind you and Europe also did significantly more horrible things in the past, but I’m talking about today.
      - lenkite 2y ago
        > Invading multiple neighbouring countries Which nations has China "invaded" recently ? Kindly elaborate. Please note that the U.S. has occupation bases in both Iraq and Syria presently. U.S. military and intelligence has directly and in-directly killed more tens of thousands of civilians within the last decade in the middle-east. (I won't even go into the Syrian war sponsorship since whatever Obama did is "old news" to Americans now) Looting of oil - there are several sources. But if you don't believe them - find a Syrian on telegram and ask him. https://thecradle.co/articles/the-other-occupation-us-forces-in-syria https://thecradle.co/articles/the-other-occupation-us-forces... https://thecradle.co/articles-id/21826 https://thecradle.co/articles-id/21826 It was reasonably well reported that Delta crescent energy extracts oil from occupied Syrian oil fields - of-course passed off as propaganda in helping the Kurds in the U.S. media. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-energy-syrian-oil-391033 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-ener... > Exterminating populations considered hostile? Hello, Yemen ? The full sanctions block and complete intelligence analysis, weapons and targeting given to PMC's and "allied" forces causing the deaths of tens of thousands of people ? This was an extraordinary extermination of the civilian population that got black-holed in the U.S. media. Of-course any time the population resisted, they got bombed - even weddings. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/21/us-war-crimes-yemen-stop-looking-other-way https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/21/us-war-crimes-yemen-stop... China's imperialism is orders of magnitude lower than the U.S. Its like comparing a ravaging T-Rex with a stubborn mouse. PS: The U.S. has now merrily resumed bombing Yemen again since the last few months. Yes, I use the word "merrily" because executives of the American military sector are happy about this. Utterly no bias there, just point-blank honesty.
        illiac786 2y ago
        speaking of “blinkers the size of titanosaurs” as you put it, I don’t understand how you possibly cannot know this very long list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe... And again, I’m not saying the US are not imperialists, and they were the most imperialists for a very long while, but I really think China beat them. They still have less means to their imperialists ambitions, but their ambitions are by far bigger than these of the US nowadays. In the end the conversation is a bit ridiculous, they are both very much imperialists, and it also depends on how you measure it. Russia is, from a political point of view, probably even more imperialist, they just have less means. The ratio means/ambitions of china is what put them at the top of this very sad list for me. I didn’t know about the syria oil fields, I can’t even say I’m surprised though.

ein0p 2y ago

Approximately 1 million victims (mostly civilian) just in this century, with trillions spent on wars. Multiple continuous wars since WW2. Iraq (2x), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti. Multiple proxy wars on top of that. Need I continue?

illiac786 2y ago
oh, I don’t debate the US have done quite a bite of imperialism and horrible things. I’m talking about today though.
- lenkite 2y ago
  Umm.. merrily bombing the middle east ? There are occupation bases in Syria merrily looting oil. And selling $20 billion in weapons to bomb the middle east even more. Americans seem to have blinkers the size of titanosaurs and a "I cannot see it" attitude when it comes to their military.
  - illiac786 2y ago
    Merrily is a slightly biased way of putting it I would say, but ok, it does happen, one can dispute why. Looting oil in Syria, I didn’t know this, do you have a source? Now, we are comparing, right, so let’s list what china is doing, shall we? Invading multiple neighbouring countries? Check. (Isn’t that the definition of imperialism?) Exterminating populations considered hostile? Check. And I’m not even talking about Africa, where “colonialism” wouldn’t necessarily be an exaggeration. I do think that, today, China is the most imperialist. The US is far from a model, mind you and Europe also did significantly more horrible things in the past, but I’m talking about today.
    - lenkite 2y ago
      > Invading multiple neighbouring countries Which nations has China "invaded" recently ? Kindly elaborate. Please note that the U.S. has occupation bases in both Iraq and Syria presently. U.S. military and intelligence has directly and in-directly killed more tens of thousands of civilians within the last decade in the middle-east. (I won't even go into the Syrian war sponsorship since whatever Obama did is "old news" to Americans now) Looting of oil - there are several sources. But if you don't believe them - find a Syrian on telegram and ask him. https://thecradle.co/articles/the-other-occupation-us-forces-in-syria https://thecradle.co/articles/the-other-occupation-us-forces... https://thecradle.co/articles-id/21826 https://thecradle.co/articles-id/21826 It was reasonably well reported that Delta crescent energy extracts oil from occupied Syrian oil fields - of-course passed off as propaganda in helping the Kurds in the U.S. media. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-energy-syrian-oil-391033 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-ener... > Exterminating populations considered hostile? Hello, Yemen ? The full sanctions block and complete intelligence analysis, weapons and targeting given to PMC's and "allied" forces causing the deaths of tens of thousands of people ? This was an extraordinary extermination of the civilian population that got black-holed in the U.S. media. Of-course any time the population resisted, they got bombed - even weddings. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/21/us-war-crimes-yemen-stop-looking-other-way https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/21/us-war-crimes-yemen-stop... China's imperialism is orders of magnitude lower than the U.S. Its like comparing a ravaging T-Rex with a stubborn mouse. PS: The U.S. has now merrily resumed bombing Yemen again since the last few months. Yes, I use the word "merrily" because executives of the American military sector are happy about this. Utterly no bias there, just point-blank honesty.
      - illiac786 2y ago
        speaking of “blinkers the size of titanosaurs” as you put it, I don’t understand how you possibly cannot know this very long list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe... And again, I’m not saying the US are not imperialists, and they were the most imperialists for a very long while, but I really think China beat them. They still have less means to their imperialists ambitions, but their ambitions are by far bigger than these of the US nowadays. In the end the conversation is a bit ridiculous, they are both very much imperialists, and it also depends on how you measure it. Russia is, from a political point of view, probably even more imperialist, they just have less means. The ratio means/ambitions of china is what put them at the top of this very sad list for me. I didn’t know about the syria oil fields, I can’t even say I’m surprised though.