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Bare metal love

by seinecle 2y ago

Bare metal love

gruez 2y ago
It's clearly a VPS, not bare metal.
- lysace 2y ago
  I wonder what it would take for AWS to lower their outbound BW pricing to something that's not insane. I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law. Do you also think we should legislate the price of BMWs? You're not forced to buy AWS, there's plenty of alternatives, and the prices that AWS charges is well known. I'm not sure why the government should be involved other than a vague sense of "I want cheap stuff".
  - freeopinion 2y ago
    Please don't suggest more laws like this. If you don't like AWS pricing, use something else. That's the only real way to develop alternatives.
    - lysace 2y ago
      You disliked my idle thought so much that you needed to reply twice? :) The various factors causing strong lock-in effects, their dominance, and the insanely high pricing of moving data out of AWS - I wouldn't be surprised if they got their antitrust moment within a few years.
      - freeopinion 2y ago
        Sorry. It wasn't personal. I just thought you deserved more than my initial terse response and some explanation of what bothered me: Layers of stupid laws on top of stupid laws that impede rational behavior instead of encouraging it.
  - freeopinion 2y ago
    I'm suffering from fatigue from all the political commercials in which every single Democrat apparently single-handedly reduced the price of insulin. As if government-mandated pricing were a good thing. If something is overpriced, somebody should jump in and take advantage of a business opportunity. If nobody is jumping in, perhaps the item is not overpriced. Or perhaps there is some systemic issue preventing willing competitors from jumping in. Imagine if somebody tackled the real issue and it unclogged the plumbing for producers of all sorts of medicine beside insulin at the same time. If a government mandates the sale of an item below the cost of production, they drive out all producers and that product disappears from the market. That is, unless they create some government subsidy or other graft to compensate the government-appointed winners. Any way you slice it, it is a recipe for disaster. If parties are allowed to compete fairly with each other, somebody will offer a cheaper price. This is already the case with AWS. Consumers may decide that the cheaper product is somehow inferior, but that is not a problem that lawmakers should interfere in.
    - linsomniac 2y ago
      Interesting you should choose insulin, as it's made by ~3 companies, and 2002-2013 the price went up 6x, while the price of the inputs dropped. ISTR that right after that it went up another 3x to over $300/vial. Thankfully, I only needed a vial once every few months, it was for my cat. "Evergreening", a process where the drug manufacturers slightly change the formula or delivery when one patent is running out, to gain a new patent, then stop manufacturing the old formula. Not saying I want to see AWS bandwidth prices regulated (though I think they could come down and still make a massive profit). But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.
      - freeopinion 2y ago
        So all the politicians pat themselves on the back without fixing the real problem. Instead, they just add one problem on top of another.
      - ekianjo 2y ago
        > But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention. drugs are not made without government approval or something. the FDA tells you what you can or cannot do.

Bare metal love

gruez 2y ago

It's clearly a VPS, not bare metal.

lysace 2y ago
I wonder what it would take for AWS to lower their outbound BW pricing to something that's not insane. I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law.
- gruez 2y ago
  >I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law. Do you also think we should legislate the price of BMWs? You're not forced to buy AWS, there's plenty of alternatives, and the prices that AWS charges is well known. I'm not sure why the government should be involved other than a vague sense of "I want cheap stuff".
- freeopinion 2y ago
  Please don't suggest more laws like this. If you don't like AWS pricing, use something else. That's the only real way to develop alternatives.
  - lysace 2y ago
    You disliked my idle thought so much that you needed to reply twice? :) The various factors causing strong lock-in effects, their dominance, and the insanely high pricing of moving data out of AWS - I wouldn't be surprised if they got their antitrust moment within a few years.
    - freeopinion 2y ago
      Sorry. It wasn't personal. I just thought you deserved more than my initial terse response and some explanation of what bothered me: Layers of stupid laws on top of stupid laws that impede rational behavior instead of encouraging it.
- freeopinion 2y ago
  I'm suffering from fatigue from all the political commercials in which every single Democrat apparently single-handedly reduced the price of insulin. As if government-mandated pricing were a good thing. If something is overpriced, somebody should jump in and take advantage of a business opportunity. If nobody is jumping in, perhaps the item is not overpriced. Or perhaps there is some systemic issue preventing willing competitors from jumping in. Imagine if somebody tackled the real issue and it unclogged the plumbing for producers of all sorts of medicine beside insulin at the same time. If a government mandates the sale of an item below the cost of production, they drive out all producers and that product disappears from the market. That is, unless they create some government subsidy or other graft to compensate the government-appointed winners. Any way you slice it, it is a recipe for disaster. If parties are allowed to compete fairly with each other, somebody will offer a cheaper price. This is already the case with AWS. Consumers may decide that the cheaper product is somehow inferior, but that is not a problem that lawmakers should interfere in.
  - linsomniac 2y ago
    Interesting you should choose insulin, as it's made by ~3 companies, and 2002-2013 the price went up 6x, while the price of the inputs dropped. ISTR that right after that it went up another 3x to over $300/vial. Thankfully, I only needed a vial once every few months, it was for my cat. "Evergreening", a process where the drug manufacturers slightly change the formula or delivery when one patent is running out, to gain a new patent, then stop manufacturing the old formula. Not saying I want to see AWS bandwidth prices regulated (though I think they could come down and still make a massive profit). But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.
    - freeopinion 2y ago
      So all the politicians pat themselves on the back without fixing the real problem. Instead, they just add one problem on top of another.
    - ekianjo 2y ago
      > But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention. drugs are not made without government approval or something. the FDA tells you what you can or cannot do.