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> move to a slower-but-flat-rate provider As I'm sure you're aware: https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instan

> move to a slower-but-flat-rate provider As I'm sure you're aware: https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ "up to 100Mbps" for $4/month

lysace 2y ago
32.4 TB for $4, or approximately 700 times cheaper than AWS. Neat.
- seinecle 2y ago
  Bare metal love
  - gruez 2y ago
    It's clearly a VPS, not bare metal.
    - lysace 2y ago
      I wonder what it would take for AWS to lower their outbound BW pricing to something that's not insane. I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law.
      - gruez 2y ago
        >I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law. Do you also think we should legislate the price of BMWs? You're not forced to buy AWS, there's plenty of alternatives, and the prices that AWS charges is well known. I'm not sure why the government should be involved other than a vague sense of "I want cheap stuff".
      - freeopinion 2y ago
        Please don't suggest more laws like this. If you don't like AWS pricing, use something else. That's the only real way to develop alternatives.
        lysace 2y ago
        You disliked my idle thought so much that you needed to reply twice? :) The various factors causing strong lock-in effects, their dominance, and the insanely high pricing of moving data out of AWS - I wouldn't be surprised if they got their antitrust moment within a few years.
        freeopinion 2y ago
        Sorry. It wasn't personal. I just thought you deserved more than my initial terse response and some explanation of what bothered me: Layers of stupid laws on top of stupid laws that impede rational behavior instead of encouraging it.
      - freeopinion 2y ago
        I'm suffering from fatigue from all the political commercials in which every single Democrat apparently single-handedly reduced the price of insulin. As if government-mandated pricing were a good thing. If something is overpriced, somebody should jump in and take advantage of a business opportunity. If nobody is jumping in, perhaps the item is not overpriced. Or perhaps there is some systemic issue preventing willing competitors from jumping in. Imagine if somebody tackled the real issue and it unclogged the plumbing for producers of all sorts of medicine beside insulin at the same time. If a government mandates the sale of an item below the cost of production, they drive out all producers and that product disappears from the market. That is, unless they create some government subsidy or other graft to compensate the government-appointed winners. Any way you slice it, it is a recipe for disaster. If parties are allowed to compete fairly with each other, somebody will offer a cheaper price. This is already the case with AWS. Consumers may decide that the cheaper product is somehow inferior, but that is not a problem that lawmakers should interfere in.
        linsomniac 2y ago
        Interesting you should choose insulin, as it's made by ~3 companies, and 2002-2013 the price went up 6x, while the price of the inputs dropped. ISTR that right after that it went up another 3x to over $300/vial. Thankfully, I only needed a vial once every few months, it was for my cat. "Evergreening", a process where the drug manufacturers slightly change the formula or delivery when one patent is running out, to gain a new patent, then stop manufacturing the old formula. Not saying I want to see AWS bandwidth prices regulated (though I think they could come down and still make a massive profit). But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.
        freeopinion 2y ago
        So all the politicians pat themselves on the back without fixing the real problem. Instead, they just add one problem on top of another.
        ekianjo 2y ago
        > But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention. drugs are not made without government approval or something. the FDA tells you what you can or cannot do.
- apitman 2y ago
  It's unlikely they would let you run it full tilt the entire month. I'm not aware of any VPS providers that have a true unlimited data plan. Would love to be proven wrong.
t0mas88 2y ago
Hetzner.de has 1 gbps unlimited or 10 gbps with a 20TB limit on their bare metal servers. And those can be bought very cheap if you don't need any special hardware.
KronisLV 2y ago
Contabo also might be an option: https://contabo.com/en/vps/ https://contabo.com/en/vps/ Throttling after 32 TB: https://help.contabo.com/en/support/solutions/articles/103000269972-rules-for-traffic-with-contabo https://help.contabo.com/en/support/solutions/articles/10300... Some commentary: https://hostingrevelations.com/contabo-bandwidth-limit/ https://hostingrevelations.com/contabo-bandwidth-limit/ I wouldn't say that they're super dependable or that the VPSes are very performant, but for the most part they work and are affordable. Alternatively, there's also Hetzner, as sibling comments mentioned: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ They do have additional fees, though: > You’ll get at least 20 TB of inclusive traffic for cloud servers at EU and US locations and 1 TB in Singapore. For each additional TB, we charge € 1.00 in the EU and US, and € 7.40 in Singapore. (Prices excl. VAT) I also used to use Time4VPS, however they have gradually been rising prices and the traffic I'd get before being throttled would be less than that of Contabo.

> move to a slower-but-flat-rate provider As I'm sure you're aware: https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ "up to 100Mbps" for $4/month

lysace 2y ago

32.4 TB for $4, or approximately 700 times cheaper than AWS. Neat.

seinecle 2y ago
Bare metal love
- gruez 2y ago
  It's clearly a VPS, not bare metal.
  - lysace 2y ago
    I wonder what it would take for AWS to lower their outbound BW pricing to something that's not insane. I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law. Do you also think we should legislate the price of BMWs? You're not forced to buy AWS, there's plenty of alternatives, and the prices that AWS charges is well known. I'm not sure why the government should be involved other than a vague sense of "I want cheap stuff".
    - freeopinion 2y ago
      Please don't suggest more laws like this. If you don't like AWS pricing, use something else. That's the only real way to develop alternatives.
      - lysace 2y ago
        You disliked my idle thought so much that you needed to reply twice? :) The various factors causing strong lock-in effects, their dominance, and the insanely high pricing of moving data out of AWS - I wouldn't be surprised if they got their antitrust moment within a few years.
        freeopinion 2y ago
        Sorry. It wasn't personal. I just thought you deserved more than my initial terse response and some explanation of what bothered me: Layers of stupid laws on top of stupid laws that impede rational behavior instead of encouraging it.
    - freeopinion 2y ago
      I'm suffering from fatigue from all the political commercials in which every single Democrat apparently single-handedly reduced the price of insulin. As if government-mandated pricing were a good thing. If something is overpriced, somebody should jump in and take advantage of a business opportunity. If nobody is jumping in, perhaps the item is not overpriced. Or perhaps there is some systemic issue preventing willing competitors from jumping in. Imagine if somebody tackled the real issue and it unclogged the plumbing for producers of all sorts of medicine beside insulin at the same time. If a government mandates the sale of an item below the cost of production, they drive out all producers and that product disappears from the market. That is, unless they create some government subsidy or other graft to compensate the government-appointed winners. Any way you slice it, it is a recipe for disaster. If parties are allowed to compete fairly with each other, somebody will offer a cheaper price. This is already the case with AWS. Consumers may decide that the cheaper product is somehow inferior, but that is not a problem that lawmakers should interfere in.
      - linsomniac 2y ago
        Interesting you should choose insulin, as it's made by ~3 companies, and 2002-2013 the price went up 6x, while the price of the inputs dropped. ISTR that right after that it went up another 3x to over $300/vial. Thankfully, I only needed a vial once every few months, it was for my cat. "Evergreening", a process where the drug manufacturers slightly change the formula or delivery when one patent is running out, to gain a new patent, then stop manufacturing the old formula. Not saying I want to see AWS bandwidth prices regulated (though I think they could come down and still make a massive profit). But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.
        freeopinion 2y ago
        So all the politicians pat themselves on the back without fixing the real problem. Instead, they just add one problem on top of another.
        ekianjo 2y ago
        > But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention. drugs are not made without government approval or something. the FDA tells you what you can or cannot do.
apitman 2y ago
It's unlikely they would let you run it full tilt the entire month. I'm not aware of any VPS providers that have a true unlimited data plan. Would love to be proven wrong.

t0mas88 2y ago

Hetzner.de has 1 gbps unlimited or 10 gbps with a 20TB limit on their bare metal servers. And those can be bought very cheap if you don't need any special hardware.

KronisLV 2y ago

Contabo also might be an option: https://contabo.com/en/vps/ https://contabo.com/en/vps/ Throttling after 32 TB: https://help.contabo.com/en/support/solutions/articles/103000269972-rules-for-traffic-with-contabo https://help.contabo.com/en/support/solutions/articles/10300... Some commentary: https://hostingrevelations.com/contabo-bandwidth-limit/ https://hostingrevelations.com/contabo-bandwidth-limit/ I wouldn't say that they're super dependable or that the VPSes are very performant, but for the most part they work and are affordable. Alternatively, there's also Hetzner, as sibling comments mentioned: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ They do have additional fees, though: > You’ll get at least 20 TB of inclusive traffic for cloud servers at EU and US locations and 1 TB in Singapore. For each additional TB, we charge € 1.00 in the EU and US, and € 7.40 in Singapore. (Prices excl. VAT) I also used to use Time4VPS, however they have gradually been rising prices and the traffic I'd get before being throttled would be less than that of Contabo.