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So you are telling me, Musk is a fan of the Islamist regime in Turkey and its persecution of non-Islamists.. Somehow, I don't believe that. Especially given t

by copx 2y ago

So you are telling me, Musk is a fan of the Islamist regime in Turkey and its persecution of non-Islamists.. Somehow, I don't believe that. Especially given that X also censors for India's anti-Islamic government.. Seems pretty obvious that ideological sympathies are not the deciding factor here, but the question wether an unwillingness to comply would lead to X being banned in the country in question.

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sillyfluke 2y ago
It's not about islamism, it's about power. Musk has met Erdogan in person multiple times, and took his son to meet him when he came to the States. How many other heads of state did Musk take his son to meet? Musk's whole schtick is quid pro quo and thin-skinism. He complains about Chinese EVs, then dashes on a jet to fly to China to meet Xi and scores a deal for Tesla -- no more whining about China. He publicly entertains Jewish conspiracy theories, claims he's pro peace in general, then gets on a jet to meet Netanyahu and the next thing you know he's clapping Netanyahu's speech in Congress. His whole transition to his current persona can be traced to when is son announced their own transition and disowned him. His bumbling political outbursts are all self-serving garbage all the way down.
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- bboygravity 2y ago
  All speculation. I guess a day without bashing Musk is a day not lived hmm?
  - sillyfluke 2y ago
    Which part is speculation? I wasn't bashing his tech accomplishments fyi. Turkey 2017: Elon Musk Meets Erdogan in Turkey, Turksat and SpaceX cooperation discussed. https://apnews.com/article/cba761ce3c1c4e5a9e5485f03a632cda https://apnews.com/article/cba761ce3c1c4e5a9e5485f03a632cda Sep. 2023: Elon Musk takes son to meet Erdogan, who wants Tesla plant built in Turkey https://fortune.com/2023/09/18/musk-son-meet-turkish-president-erdogan-build-tesla-plant-turkey/ https://fortune.com/2023/09/18/musk-son-meet-turkish-preside... China Jan. 2024: Elon Musk says Chinese EV firms will demolish rivals without trade barriers https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... April 2024: Elon Musk flies to China, agrees to Tesla/Baidu cooperation https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/tesla-seals-deal-for-china-maps-whether-musk-wants-them-or-not https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/tesla-sea... https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/01/tesla_map_backtrack_baidu/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/01/tesla_map_backtrack_b... May 2024: In about-face, Elon Musk opposes Chinese tariffs https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/elon-musk-im-against-tax-incentives-evs-2024-05-23/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/elon-m... Israel Nov 2023: Elon Musk visits Israel after antisemitism row, gets Starlink deal https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67544945 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67544945 There does not seem to be official Tesla or SpaceX presence in Brazil, coincidentally. The only Tesla presence in South America seems to be in "lithium-rich" Chile.
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Musk has built amazing companies and can legitimately take credit for pushing the automotive industry towards EVs. But judging by his actions, in my book he's also a complete asshole. These two facts can co-exist.
p_j_w 2y ago
> So you are telling me, Musk is a fan of the Islamist regime in Turkey and its persecution of non-Islamists.. The former, absolutely. Your refusal to believe this seems to come from the idea that Musk has clear principles that he adheres to. He does not. His only concerns are money and power.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  > His only concerns are money and power. So why not stay in Brazil and get more money?
  - raydev 2y ago
    The obvious explanation being that the costs to comply are too great, the fines would be even worse. Therefore it's not worth it.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      That and the robots on twitter are Legion and they are paying well with all those verified accounts, no way he is going to endanger those. So he would lose his bot money AND be on the line for more staff to update algorithms to handle the vitriol on twitter; thus it’s a no-brainer to leave Brazil until the government lightens up or a new regime comes into play
    - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
      Given a lack of actual data, we can explain away anything.
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worstspotgain 2y ago
> Seems pretty obvious that ideological sympathies are not the deciding factor here It's not about left and right. It's about who's Putin-aligned and who isn't.
phatfish 2y ago
Musk is not personally signing off on every take-down request. It's his "pet projects" that he amplifies to his acolytes on Twitter you need to look at.
jajko 2y ago
Musk recently personally donated cybertruck to effin' Kadyrov which was very thankful for it and promptly installed machine gun on it. A confirmed mass murderer and generally firmly in pool of the lowest human scum this planet has ever hosted. Lets be realistic for a while and not assign some stable high morals to mr musk. Apart from his morality being flexible, his admiration for various murderous oppressors is famous at this point and his very obvious continuous mental issues only allow him to act in several modes. At the end, brilliant broken little boy with severe daddy issues and uber massive ego, stuff which he can never hope to fully tackle and it doesn't seem he is even trying to. So, trying to map his responses to simple if x then y won't work like with normal balanced folks, he is too unstable and emotional for that.
- Manabu-eo 2y ago
  > “Are you seriously so retarded that you think I donated a Cybertruck to a Russian general?” Musk wrote on X Would such donation even be legal currently in the US? And AFAIK neither Tesla nor Musk ever donated a car before, for any reason or to anyone else in those 20+ years. On the other hand, he is the largest private donator to Ukraine, via SpaceX and Starlink.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  If you believe that you'll believe anything. Like Beyonce coming to the DNC
EasyMark 2y ago
I think he simply doesn’t care as that area of the world is far from his top 10 list of concerns, but he does always seem to be interested in Europe and the Americas

by copx 2y ago

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sillyfluke 2y ago

It's not about islamism, it's about power. Musk has met Erdogan in person multiple times, and took his son to meet him when he came to the States. How many other heads of state did Musk take his son to meet? Musk's whole schtick is quid pro quo and thin-skinism. He complains about Chinese EVs, then dashes on a jet to fly to China to meet Xi and scores a deal for Tesla -- no more whining about China. He publicly entertains Jewish conspiracy theories, claims he's pro peace in general, then gets on a jet to meet Netanyahu and the next thing you know he's clapping Netanyahu's speech in Congress. His whole transition to his current persona can be traced to when is son announced their own transition and disowned him. His bumbling political outbursts are all self-serving garbage all the way down.

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bboygravity 2y ago
All speculation. I guess a day without bashing Musk is a day not lived hmm?
- sillyfluke 2y ago
  Which part is speculation? I wasn't bashing his tech accomplishments fyi. Turkey 2017: Elon Musk Meets Erdogan in Turkey, Turksat and SpaceX cooperation discussed. https://apnews.com/article/cba761ce3c1c4e5a9e5485f03a632cda https://apnews.com/article/cba761ce3c1c4e5a9e5485f03a632cda Sep. 2023: Elon Musk takes son to meet Erdogan, who wants Tesla plant built in Turkey https://fortune.com/2023/09/18/musk-son-meet-turkish-president-erdogan-build-tesla-plant-turkey/ https://fortune.com/2023/09/18/musk-son-meet-turkish-preside... China Jan. 2024: Elon Musk says Chinese EV firms will demolish rivals without trade barriers https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... April 2024: Elon Musk flies to China, agrees to Tesla/Baidu cooperation https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/tesla-seals-deal-for-china-maps-whether-musk-wants-them-or-not https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/tesla-sea... https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/01/tesla_map_backtrack_baidu/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/01/tesla_map_backtrack_b... May 2024: In about-face, Elon Musk opposes Chinese tariffs https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/elon-musk-im-against-tax-incentives-evs-2024-05-23/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/elon-m... Israel Nov 2023: Elon Musk visits Israel after antisemitism row, gets Starlink deal https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67544945 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67544945 There does not seem to be official Tesla or SpaceX presence in Brazil, coincidentally. The only Tesla presence in South America seems to be in "lithium-rich" Chile.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Musk has built amazing companies and can legitimately take credit for pushing the automotive industry towards EVs. But judging by his actions, in my book he's also a complete asshole. These two facts can co-exist.

p_j_w 2y ago

> So you are telling me, Musk is a fan of the Islamist regime in Turkey and its persecution of non-Islamists.. The former, absolutely. Your refusal to believe this seems to come from the idea that Musk has clear principles that he adheres to. He does not. His only concerns are money and power.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago
> His only concerns are money and power. So why not stay in Brazil and get more money?
- raydev 2y ago
  The obvious explanation being that the costs to comply are too great, the fines would be even worse. Therefore it's not worth it.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    That and the robots on twitter are Legion and they are paying well with all those verified accounts, no way he is going to endanger those. So he would lose his bot money AND be on the line for more staff to update algorithms to handle the vitriol on twitter; thus it’s a no-brainer to leave Brazil until the government lightens up or a new regime comes into play
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    Given a lack of actual data, we can explain away anything.
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worstspotgain 2y ago

> Seems pretty obvious that ideological sympathies are not the deciding factor here It's not about left and right. It's about who's Putin-aligned and who isn't.

phatfish 2y ago

Musk is not personally signing off on every take-down request. It's his "pet projects" that he amplifies to his acolytes on Twitter you need to look at.

jajko 2y ago

Musk recently personally donated cybertruck to effin' Kadyrov which was very thankful for it and promptly installed machine gun on it. A confirmed mass murderer and generally firmly in pool of the lowest human scum this planet has ever hosted. Lets be realistic for a while and not assign some stable high morals to mr musk. Apart from his morality being flexible, his admiration for various murderous oppressors is famous at this point and his very obvious continuous mental issues only allow him to act in several modes. At the end, brilliant broken little boy with severe daddy issues and uber massive ego, stuff which he can never hope to fully tackle and it doesn't seem he is even trying to. So, trying to map his responses to simple if x then y won't work like with normal balanced folks, he is too unstable and emotional for that.

Manabu-eo 2y ago
> “Are you seriously so retarded that you think I donated a Cybertruck to a Russian general?” Musk wrote on X Would such donation even be legal currently in the US? And AFAIK neither Tesla nor Musk ever donated a car before, for any reason or to anyone else in those 20+ years. On the other hand, he is the largest private donator to Ukraine, via SpaceX and Starlink.
inemesitaffia 2y ago
If you believe that you'll believe anything. Like Beyonce coming to the DNC

EasyMark 2y ago

I think he simply doesn’t care as that area of the world is far from his top 10 list of concerns, but he does always seem to be interested in Europe and the Americas