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None of this is unique to Brazil and happens in countries all over the world where X continues to operate.

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jsheard 2y ago
Regarding takedown demands, Twitter used to publish transparency reports on who was making them, but they stopped after Musk took over. https://transparency.x.com/en/reports/removal-requests https://transparency.x.com/en/reports/removal-requests In the final report 97% of all takedowns were made by Japan, Russia, South Korea, Turkey, and India (from most to least). They also broke down the number of takedowns against verified journalists and news outlets, which was led by India (114 takedowns), Turkey (78), Russia (55), and Pakistan (48), and Brazil was down the list with 8. It would be nice to have a more recent version of this report to see which way the tides have shifted.
- acchow 2y ago
  In the context here, a takedown request would be preferred. It would indicate the judge being willing to accept a takedown in lieu of putting the poster in prison.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
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  - mynameisvlad 2y ago
    > and number of people imprisoned or punished is far greater than Russia or other countries. Clearly not according to their source. Do you have any data to back up your claim?
    - trte9343r4 2y ago
      > In 2022, over 21,000 individuals in Russia were penalized for such “offences”, with 2,307 given administrative detention and the rest heavy fines > in year ending March 2022, there were 155,841 hate crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/russia-20000-activists-subject-to-heavy-reprisals-as-russia-continues-to-crack-down-on-anti-war-movement-at-home/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/russia-20000-... https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-...
      - mynameisvlad 2y ago
        You’re comparing people penalized with number of recorded instances. Those are two wildly different statistics.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        One figure refers to recorded "crimes", the other to actual imprisonments. Do you understand that the two are simply not comparable, and that there's obviously no analogy here? Even the alleged offenses aren't even comparable. This isn't just one extremely basic logical fallacy you're making, but two.
  - katzinsky 2y ago
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  - spzb 2y ago
    Having hate speech laws doesn't equate to the state giving takedown notices. More likely the individual will be prosecuted as has happened in the past few weeks of social unrest.
    - trte9343r4 2y ago
      But that is my argument! In UK takedown notices are given by some non-profit organization (not state), or are covered by TOS violation. But it is just censorship! > in the past few weeks of social unrest. Compare how social media handled recent UK protests, and "summer of love" riots in 2020!
  - Teocali 2y ago
    > UK has hate speech laws, and number of people imprisoned or punished is far greater than Russia or other countries. I call counter-bullshit. Provide some source with numbers.
- TylerLives 2y ago
  This might be misleading. If old Twitter was preemptively taking down posts that certain American or European organizations wanted taken down, this wouldn't show in the transparency reports at all. If you used the platform before and now, it's very obvious that that was the case.
  - Hamuko 2y ago
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    - pessimizer 2y ago
      And the thousands of documents that the Democrats, their administration, and US intelligence deemed "nothingburger" until they even became annoyed at repeating it over and over again nonsensically. What's the Brazilian government's term for "nothingburger?" Are they using the same terms that fascist Brazil (aided by successive Democratic administrations and US intelligence) used about disappearances and torture?
      - Hamuko 2y ago
        That's a lot of words and yet I'm not any closer to the source of this information.
- brightball 2y ago
  Didn’t they just move that stuff here? https://x.com/globalaffairs/status/1824819053061669244?s=46&t=alZCBpHQmrOiijvY9w8DwA https://x.com/globalaffairs/status/1824819053061669244?s=46&...
  - jsheard 2y ago
    Do they post aggregate stats about takedowns there? It seems like they just post ad-hoc information, which leaves a lot of room for editorialization. For example going into great detail about the Brazil situation, while on the other hand posting this extremely vague statement in response to Pakistan blocking X and then never following up with any further context about what's going on there. https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1780676243538452680 https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1780676243538452680 Have they ramped up censorship in Pakistan to appease the government? Who knows, they're not telling.
- falleng0d 2y ago
  The Brazilian courts specifically asks that the takedowns must be done in secret. I believe we can assume they are not being accounted for in these statistics.
throwthrowuknow 2y ago
Not surprising since the US is the only country in the world with freedom of speech.
akira2501 2y ago
Yes, but Brazil has the most natural wealth available to steal.

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Regarding takedown demands, Twitter used to publish transparency reports on who was making them, but they stopped after Musk took over. https://transparency.x.com/en/reports/removal-requests https://transparency.x.com/en/reports/removal-requests In the final report 97% of all takedowns were made by Japan, Russia, South Korea, Turkey, and India (from most to least). They also broke down the number of takedowns against verified journalists and news outlets, which was led by India (114 takedowns), Turkey (78), Russia (55), and Pakistan (48), and Brazil was down the list with 8. It would be nice to have a more recent version of this report to see which way the tides have shifted.

acchow 2y ago
In the context here, a takedown request would be preferred. It would indicate the judge being willing to accept a takedown in lieu of putting the poster in prison.
trte9343r4 2y ago
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- mynameisvlad 2y ago
  > and number of people imprisoned or punished is far greater than Russia or other countries. Clearly not according to their source. Do you have any data to back up your claim?
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    > In 2022, over 21,000 individuals in Russia were penalized for such “offences”, with 2,307 given administrative detention and the rest heavy fines > in year ending March 2022, there were 155,841 hate crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/russia-20000-activists-subject-to-heavy-reprisals-as-russia-continues-to-crack-down-on-anti-war-movement-at-home/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/russia-20000-... https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-...
    - mynameisvlad 2y ago
      You’re comparing people penalized with number of recorded instances. Those are two wildly different statistics.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      One figure refers to recorded "crimes", the other to actual imprisonments. Do you understand that the two are simply not comparable, and that there's obviously no analogy here? Even the alleged offenses aren't even comparable. This isn't just one extremely basic logical fallacy you're making, but two.
- katzinsky 2y ago
  [flagged]
- spzb 2y ago
  Having hate speech laws doesn't equate to the state giving takedown notices. More likely the individual will be prosecuted as has happened in the past few weeks of social unrest.
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    But that is my argument! In UK takedown notices are given by some non-profit organization (not state), or are covered by TOS violation. But it is just censorship! > in the past few weeks of social unrest. Compare how social media handled recent UK protests, and "summer of love" riots in 2020!
- Teocali 2y ago
  > UK has hate speech laws, and number of people imprisoned or punished is far greater than Russia or other countries. I call counter-bullshit. Provide some source with numbers.
TylerLives 2y ago
This might be misleading. If old Twitter was preemptively taking down posts that certain American or European organizations wanted taken down, this wouldn't show in the transparency reports at all. If you used the platform before and now, it's very obvious that that was the case.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    And the thousands of documents that the Democrats, their administration, and US intelligence deemed "nothingburger" until they even became annoyed at repeating it over and over again nonsensically. What's the Brazilian government's term for "nothingburger?" Are they using the same terms that fascist Brazil (aided by successive Democratic administrations and US intelligence) used about disappearances and torture?
    - Hamuko 2y ago
      That's a lot of words and yet I'm not any closer to the source of this information.
brightball 2y ago
Didn’t they just move that stuff here? https://x.com/globalaffairs/status/1824819053061669244?s=46&t=alZCBpHQmrOiijvY9w8DwA https://x.com/globalaffairs/status/1824819053061669244?s=46&...
- jsheard 2y ago
  Do they post aggregate stats about takedowns there? It seems like they just post ad-hoc information, which leaves a lot of room for editorialization. For example going into great detail about the Brazil situation, while on the other hand posting this extremely vague statement in response to Pakistan blocking X and then never following up with any further context about what's going on there. https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1780676243538452680 https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1780676243538452680 Have they ramped up censorship in Pakistan to appease the government? Who knows, they're not telling.
falleng0d 2y ago
The Brazilian courts specifically asks that the takedowns must be done in secret. I believe we can assume they are not being accounted for in these statistics.

throwthrowuknow 2y ago

Not surprising since the US is the only country in the world with freedom of speech.

akira2501 2y ago

Yes, but Brazil has the most natural wealth available to steal.