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Guessing the difference is that Brazil is currently controlled by a left-wing government and these censorship demands have a left-leaning bent to them, whereas
by mort96 2y ago
Guessing the difference is that Brazil is currently controlled by a left-wing government and these censorship demands have a left-leaning bent to them, whereas India and Turkey have right-leaning governments and the censorship orders were to strengthen the right wing?
Musk has been increasingly open about using his ownership of Twitter as simply a tool to champion his own political ideals, and those ideals seem to skew pretty far right.
- kernal 2y agoElon has said he’s more of a centrist. So it’s always amusing to see the far left brand him as far right because he opposes their radical ideology.
- pohl 2y ago"Watch what they do, not what they say" is a useful principle, here. There's no reason to take his attempt to self-label as a centrist at face value, but there's mountains of evidence that he seeks to amplify the right.
- ilikehurdles 2y agoThe previous regime of twitter censored accounts that are to the right, so when that's your idea of a normal, any change that allows all sides to share a platform could be interpreted to "amplify the right".
- dpkirchner 2y agoIt isn't clear to me that accounts to the right were more or less likely to break platform rules. Has there been any analysis?
- arp242 2y agoIn 2019 Quillette claimed to have hard data that "Twitter Treats Conservatives More Harshly Than Liberals".[1] Their data includes upstanding examples of Conservatism such as The American Nazi Party. I kid you not. There's a bunch of accounts in their set where you can have a reasonable discussion about where the limits should be, but tons of them are literal actual self-described Nazis. There's an overview at e.g. [2]. So yes, colour me sceptical on these types of claims. [1]: https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-twitter-treats-conservatives-more-harshly-than-liberals/ https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... [2]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette#Banning_Neo-Nazis_is_oppressing_conservatives.21.E2.84.A2 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette#Banning_Neo-Nazis_is...
- acdha 2y agoThis assertion is commonly made but never backed up with data, because it’s fiction. Elon Musk even gave full access to various people to try to find something to back that up and they found no evidence of anything like the alleged censorship campaign. Even Matt Taibi was reduced to tricks like pointing to the Biden campaign reporting tweets and hoping his readers were credulous enough not to see that those tweets were non-consensual nudity.
- dingnuts 2y agohe's just a reactionary; he doesn't have any coherent principles beyond self interest and reacting to things
- BadHumans 2y ago[flagged]
- throwawa14223 2y agoGiven that former President Trump is a center-left politician it makes perfect sense.
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- krapp 2y agoI do not understand in what context your comment is a response to mine. I also don't know who you're quoting. Probably the straw leftist you think you're arguing with?
- JohnBooty 2y ago"North Korea says it's a democracy. So it's always amusing to see the far left brand it as a dictatorship because it opposes their radical ideology."
- mort96 2y agoSure, and the nazis were socialist
- olalonde 2y agoErdogan is practically a socialist, government spending and inflation have ballooned under him. Pretty much the opposite of what Elon Musk advocates for.
- candiddevmike 2y agoElon Musk, who's companies take plenty of government spending and incentives? Sounds like a socialist to me.
- olalonde 2y agoMight indeed not be in his self-interest, but yes. He talked about it in his discussion with Trump on X. Here's an article about it: https://www.nbc24.com/news/nation-world/elon-musk-pitches-committee-cut-government-spending-donald-trump-x-conversation-social-media-2024-election-politics-voters-national-debt-taxpayers https://www.nbc24.com/news/nation-world/elon-musk-pitches-co...
- arandomusername 2y ago"take plenty of government spending" is a funny way to say has plenty of contracts with the government to provide services... And yeah, when incentives are available, why wouldnt he take them? It's the same way people who advocate for higher tax don't choose to donate more money to the government.
- BadHumans 2y agoTesla has received over $2B in subsidies since 09, accepted $750M from New York for a SolarCity plant in Buffalo, SolarCity also received $500M in federal grants. I could keep going but you get the idea. To be clear, I have no problem with him or any company accepting the money but this isn't "contracts with the government to provide services."
- mensetmanusman 2y agoGovernment has had a 10x ROI with musk, that’s the purpose of govt investment.
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- tankenmate 2y agoThe poster your are responding to said nothing about their own stance, only conjecturing about Musk's stance and the current zeitgeist. Ad hominem is the second last refuge of the incompetent; or in other words, argue the point not the person.
- copx 2y agoI assure you, that no Western right-winger likes the Islamist Erdogan.
- mort96 2y agoI wish you were right, but you're not: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-praises-turkish-president-erdogan-in-rnc-panel-with-pastor-andrew-brunson-hostage-held-by-turkey https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-praises-turkish-presiden..., https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/13/politics/donald-trump-recep-tayyip-erdogan-turkey-impeachment/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/13/politics/donald-trump-rec..., etc
- p_j_w 2y agoUnless you’re gonna claim Donald Trump to be some kind of centrist, I can think of at least one.
- worstspotgain 2y agoLeft and right are not the real dimensions here. It's pro-Putin and against Putin. Russia has long made a mockery of ideologies, and indirectly of those who would be easily manipulated to do its bidding under one pretext or another.
- dyauspitr 2y agoYeah they do. He fits the idea of the authoritarian which they want to further. They may not agree with what he is doing, but they like the way he’s doing it.
- samarthr1 2y agoAs for the Indian government, I would argue that it is still largely socialist (high direct and indirect taxes that translate to strong social spending in poorer parts of the society, and rural areas[1]), and is still considerably more to the left than much of the west. I would concede that on social matters the government does lean conservative, and is not as liberal as one would expect, but in many ways, that is an indictment of current society, and a part of life, that I don't see changing in the near term (25 years or so). The social fabric of a nation is intrinsic to it's continued stable existence. Mass upheaval in a short duration is dangerous for the continued improvement of welfare of the people. So, it can be argued that preventing mass change demographics is a part of the duties of the government. [2] [1] See central government schemes like Jal Shakti, LPG subsidy, Urea Subsidy etc [2] This is a subjective opinion, but imo mass immigration is dangerous, and recent examples in Europe do demonstrate the dangers of sudden changes in demographics. At the same time, diversity is important, and so is immigration by _skilled_ professionals, with the eventual transfer of skills (and technology) to native (for whatever value of native) people.
- mmooss 2y agoModi and the BJP are avowed, proud ethnic nationalists, seeking to preserve and enforce their version of traditional religion.
- samarthr1 2y agoLast I checked, being nationalist is not a bad thing? If your government does not stand up for your country, who else will?
- mmooss 2y agoTwo things: First, I said they were 'ethnic nationalists', which is not about a country but about an 'enthnicity', in this case Hindus. Inside their own country, they 'stand up for' Hindus ... Second, that phrase, 'stand up for', misrepresents nationalism in the most serious way. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary's defintion of nationalism: Advocacy of or support for the interests of one's own nation, esp. to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Also: advocacy of or support for national independence or self-determination. Whereas patriotism usually refers to a general sentiment, nationalism now usually refers to a specific ideology, esp. one expressed through political activism. In earlier use, however, the two appear to have been more or less interchangeable. Nationalism includes discrmination against others, in Modi's case against Muslims and other non-Hindus. 'We're superior' inevitably leads to rationalizing harming others; it's been responsible for much of the worst of humanity - millions dead, over and over, including in India's post-colonial history. Allied leaders in WWII, including Churchill, though it was a leading cause of that war. We can already see violence and opression against Muslims in India - we can't wait to see if this time will be different. That's why universal human rights is so essential. It says we stand not for ourselves, not for our superiority, but for our equality. It says people in India of every religion, and people elsewhere, have the same rights and are fundamentally equal in their value.
- golemiprague 2y ago[dead]