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I'm sure ICE owners would get over it quickly when they drive away after 3 minutes and the EV is still there being fleeced for overpriced vending machine coffee

I'm sure ICE owners would get over it quickly when they drive away after 3 minutes and the EV is still there being fleeced for overpriced vending machine coffee. Don't get me wrong, EVs are good, and if you can charge at home or work, take little marginal time to charge, but an easily-pumped 40MJ/l liquid is a tough mark to beat when you have to fuel at a station.

jfengel 2y ago
I suspect that in a couple of decades, EV owners will think it's weird that we used to stop outdoors (in all weather) to put smelly chemicals into our cars. They won't be surprised that it doesn't take long. They wouldn't stand for it at all if it took longer. I think we've all priced in a lot of discomforts. Once replaced we will price in different discomforts.
- tonymet 2y ago
  What range and charging time would make this a reality ? It’s not the case now
  - jfengel 2y ago
    I think it is the case now. The vast majority of people charge at home. Charging at a station is the exception, not the rule. What will change is access to chargers in apartments and similar places. When that happens people will find it odd how people used to just assume they'd spend ten minutes a week in a chemical plant.
    - tonymet 2y ago
      outliers matter more than averages. it doesn't matter if you charge 9/10 times at home if you need to charge in the wild and get stuck. People don't make purchase decisions on the common case they care about the outlying case.
    - grues-dinner 2y ago
      > The vast majority of people charge at home Another way to read that statistic is "the away from home charging situation is such a hassle that the vast majority of people without chargers at home don't buy EVs". And the article is about station charging. I think we can all understand that home charging is basically fine. And that's before the price. Depending on tariffs, home charging is competitive or cheaper than liquid fuel and the motor efficiency is much higher to boot. But charge outside at the "wrong" charger and the price can be up to 10 times higher: around 5-6 times the price of the liquid fuel on a kWh basis, and roughly double the per-mile cost as an ICE.
- grues-dinner 2y ago
  Perhaps, or maybe people will say "you know in the past, charging your car took under 2 minutes and was always done under a roof, no messing about with cables in the rain and waiting 15 minutes. And a full charge lasted over 1000km!" Actually have a PHEV, charged at work, but I'm under no illusions that the away from home recharging situation is not a stunning win for the EV side. Since the power delivery of a litre of hydrocarbon fuel per second is 40MW, and the very best chargers bristling with GaN, SiC and fancy controllers barely push 500kW, there's a little way to go.

jfengel 2y ago

I suspect that in a couple of decades, EV owners will think it's weird that we used to stop outdoors (in all weather) to put smelly chemicals into our cars. They won't be surprised that it doesn't take long. They wouldn't stand for it at all if it took longer. I think we've all priced in a lot of discomforts. Once replaced we will price in different discomforts.

tonymet 2y ago
What range and charging time would make this a reality ? It’s not the case now
- jfengel 2y ago
  I think it is the case now. The vast majority of people charge at home. Charging at a station is the exception, not the rule. What will change is access to chargers in apartments and similar places. When that happens people will find it odd how people used to just assume they'd spend ten minutes a week in a chemical plant.
  - tonymet 2y ago
    outliers matter more than averages. it doesn't matter if you charge 9/10 times at home if you need to charge in the wild and get stuck. People don't make purchase decisions on the common case they care about the outlying case.
  - grues-dinner 2y ago
    > The vast majority of people charge at home Another way to read that statistic is "the away from home charging situation is such a hassle that the vast majority of people without chargers at home don't buy EVs". And the article is about station charging. I think we can all understand that home charging is basically fine. And that's before the price. Depending on tariffs, home charging is competitive or cheaper than liquid fuel and the motor efficiency is much higher to boot. But charge outside at the "wrong" charger and the price can be up to 10 times higher: around 5-6 times the price of the liquid fuel on a kWh basis, and roughly double the per-mile cost as an ICE.
grues-dinner 2y ago
Perhaps, or maybe people will say "you know in the past, charging your car took under 2 minutes and was always done under a roof, no messing about with cables in the rain and waiting 15 minutes. And a full charge lasted over 1000km!" Actually have a PHEV, charged at work, but I'm under no illusions that the away from home recharging situation is not a stunning win for the EV side. Since the power delivery of a litre of hydrocarbon fuel per second is 40MW, and the very best chargers bristling with GaN, SiC and fancy controllers barely push 500kW, there's a little way to go.