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> The author goes into some detail on liberal socialism. On the other end you can also have liberal anarchism though. What do you mean by "on the other end"? A

> The author goes into some detail on liberal socialism. On the other end you can also have liberal anarchism though. What do you mean by "on the other end"? AFAIK anarchism is a type of socialism.

_heimdall 2y ago
Socialism requires a very large government vacuuming up resources and distributing them to society as the government determines is most fair and equal. Anarchism has no government. There may be overlaps in people's motivations and how communities of people interact, but the difference in scale, or existence of, the government is a pretty big difference to me.
- Kbelicius 2y ago
  > Socialism requires a very large government vacuuming up resources and distributing them to society as the government determines is most fair and equal. I've not read any socialist literature in a long time but a quick glance at wikipedia confirms what I remember; Government isn't a requirement for socialism. That doesn't mean that there isn't "state socialism", there is, but there is also stateless e.g. anarchism.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    That gets into a bit of a gray area for me, happy to be wrong here. Socialist anarchism still revolves around some kind of communal ownership. I've never been quite sure how that could be run without some kind of governmental structure, whether it calls itself that or not. In practice, the only implementations of socialism that I'm aware of all included large governments and were/are more like communism than not.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
Anarchism is a separate concept which can be combined with socialism.it speaks to the role of government, or lack thereof. The classic counter example of the other end of the spectrum would be anachocapitalism, which is about as far from socialism as you can get, but also embraces anarchism
- Kbelicius 2y ago
  > The classic counter example of the other end of the spectrum would be anachocapitalism, which is about as far from socialism as you can get, but also embraces anarchism After reading "on the other end" I was expecting to be met with anarcho-capitalism. I disagree with you on AC embracing anarchism. Only the word is embraced and nothing else. Anarchism is against masters/hierarchies and that is why they are against both state and capitalism. AC is against state, for different reasons, no other relations to anarchism.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    It doesnt sound like we will be able to agree on the definition of any words, and I dont think you are using them in the conventional or scholastic manner. have a good day.
    - Kbelicius 2y ago
      Now I really want to hear the definition of anarchism you are using. I won't reply or try to drag you in to a discussion or anything like that. I would just love to hear it. Thanks.

> The author goes into some detail on liberal socialism. On the other end you can also have liberal anarchism though. What do you mean by "on the other end"? AFAIK anarchism is a type of socialism.

_heimdall 2y ago

Socialism requires a very large government vacuuming up resources and distributing them to society as the government determines is most fair and equal. Anarchism has no government. There may be overlaps in people's motivations and how communities of people interact, but the difference in scale, or existence of, the government is a pretty big difference to me.

Kbelicius 2y ago
> Socialism requires a very large government vacuuming up resources and distributing them to society as the government determines is most fair and equal. I've not read any socialist literature in a long time but a quick glance at wikipedia confirms what I remember; Government isn't a requirement for socialism. That doesn't mean that there isn't "state socialism", there is, but there is also stateless e.g. anarchism.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  That gets into a bit of a gray area for me, happy to be wrong here. Socialist anarchism still revolves around some kind of communal ownership. I've never been quite sure how that could be run without some kind of governmental structure, whether it calls itself that or not. In practice, the only implementations of socialism that I'm aware of all included large governments and were/are more like communism than not.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

Anarchism is a separate concept which can be combined with socialism.it speaks to the role of government, or lack thereof. The classic counter example of the other end of the spectrum would be anachocapitalism, which is about as far from socialism as you can get, but also embraces anarchism

Kbelicius 2y ago
> The classic counter example of the other end of the spectrum would be anachocapitalism, which is about as far from socialism as you can get, but also embraces anarchism After reading "on the other end" I was expecting to be met with anarcho-capitalism. I disagree with you on AC embracing anarchism. Only the word is embraced and nothing else. Anarchism is against masters/hierarchies and that is why they are against both state and capitalism. AC is against state, for different reasons, no other relations to anarchism.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  It doesnt sound like we will be able to agree on the definition of any words, and I dont think you are using them in the conventional or scholastic manner. have a good day.
  - Kbelicius 2y ago
    Now I really want to hear the definition of anarchism you are using. I won't reply or try to drag you in to a discussion or anything like that. I would just love to hear it. Thanks.