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The way this worked in many places is that workers formed political parties. In France people did and still take to the streets over labour issues. You can also

by YZF 2y ago

The way this worked in many places is that workers formed political parties. In France people did and still take to the streets over labour issues. You can also unionize. Or sure, lobby. But if people are happy with the current system then that's also fine. All in all the US has been a success story. Whether there's correlation or causation between that and some of the regulatory and legal environment is hard to say. Maybe its success is primarily due to resources and geography and maybe the US would be even more successful with a more European style system. [EDIT: it's should have been its ;) ]

HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
The fact that this is not happening at a grassroots level in the US would suggest that it's not as big a deal to Americans as the Europeans in this thread think it should be. Speaking only for myself, I've found that when I joined a company whose time-off policies I didn't like (only one so far), I just asked for more time off as part of the deal. The response I got was "sure. It's easier for us to give you more paid time off than more money."
- ghaff 2y ago
  On the other hand, when I joined a previous employer that (at the time--they improved) had fairly mediocre paid time off policies (not really that bad but it was the first time I had encountered PTO including both vacation and sick time and there was mandatory shutdown around the holidays). When I got what seemed like a pretty generous offer given I was making a relatively small salary at the time and the company was private so no stock, they also made it clear that the PTO was non-negotiable. Now, in practice, given my role no one was eyeing a few hours here and there to go to some appointment or a bit of personal time tacked on to business travel especially if I had traveled over a weekend, but the paper amount of PTO was just so-so.
D-Coder 2y ago
> The way this worked in many places is that workers formed political parties. Given the current political system(s) in the US, this is practically impossible at the federal level; difficult at the state level; somewhat more possible at the city level (eg New York City's Working Families Party). Third parties exist but generally have almost no influence.

by YZF 2y ago

HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago

The fact that this is not happening at a grassroots level in the US would suggest that it's not as big a deal to Americans as the Europeans in this thread think it should be. Speaking only for myself, I've found that when I joined a company whose time-off policies I didn't like (only one so far), I just asked for more time off as part of the deal. The response I got was "sure. It's easier for us to give you more paid time off than more money."

ghaff 2y ago
On the other hand, when I joined a previous employer that (at the time--they improved) had fairly mediocre paid time off policies (not really that bad but it was the first time I had encountered PTO including both vacation and sick time and there was mandatory shutdown around the holidays). When I got what seemed like a pretty generous offer given I was making a relatively small salary at the time and the company was private so no stock, they also made it clear that the PTO was non-negotiable. Now, in practice, given my role no one was eyeing a few hours here and there to go to some appointment or a bit of personal time tacked on to business travel especially if I had traveled over a weekend, but the paper amount of PTO was just so-so.

D-Coder 2y ago

> The way this worked in many places is that workers formed political parties. Given the current political system(s) in the US, this is practically impossible at the federal level; difficult at the state level; somewhat more possible at the city level (eg New York City's Working Families Party). Third parties exist but generally have almost no influence.