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not just uBlock origin, we can get browsers that are not webkit. WebKit is crippled and always behind in standards implementations.

nottorp 2y ago
> we can get browsers that are not webkit That's good for how to call it, diversity, yes. > WebKit is crippled and always behind in standards implementations. I would cry a river except the standards you're mentioning are mostly made to benefit Google. At best we'll get a duopoly instead of a monopoly, like we have with the actual phone operating systems.
- brigadier132 2y ago
  It's crippled in ways beyond standards implementations. WebKit can't use more than 500mb per tab in iOs and third party browsers are not allowed to use full screen mode. This is to prevent actual web apps from being viable. > I would cry a river except the standards you're mentioning are mostly made to benefit Google This mindset makes 0 sense. Yes, things like http/3 and webtransport benefit google, but it also benefits literally everyone else not named Apple.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    > WebKit can't use more than 500mb per tab in iOs SO MUCH? Do I look like i can afford infinite ram? > benefits literally everyone else not named Apple. No, it seems to me it benefits javascript app developers in addition to Google. I see zero benefit for the users.
    - brigadier132 2y ago
      Benefits javascript developers? I'm writing rust and compiling to webassembly. > I see zero benefit for the users You seem to think that all the web apps that exist would just be native apps if the web didn't support js. Your way of thinking reeks of 4chan/g from 2005. Next you are going to start complaining about "bloat". Also fyi, people that create things tend to be users of their own creations.
      - nottorp 2y ago
        > Benefits javascript developers? I'm writing rust and compiling to webassembly. And pray tell, why aren't you compiling to native? > You seem to think that all the web apps that exist would just be native apps if the web didn't support js. Or not exist at all if there is no market :) However, I'm pretty sure that niche apps have always existed, even when they were native. I've used a fair few.
        pas 2y ago
        shipping native on phones requires going through the gates of the walled garden. and it's a fucking hassle.
    - brigadier132 2y ago
      Also, I'm done talking to you because it seems like you are here to troll and just argue in bad faith. I need to learn to identify people that like to shift goalposts faster. I hope people care more about the things you value than your apparent lack of care of others.

nottorp 2y ago

> we can get browsers that are not webkit That's good for how to call it, diversity, yes. > WebKit is crippled and always behind in standards implementations. I would cry a river except the standards you're mentioning are mostly made to benefit Google. At best we'll get a duopoly instead of a monopoly, like we have with the actual phone operating systems.

brigadier132 2y ago
It's crippled in ways beyond standards implementations. WebKit can't use more than 500mb per tab in iOs and third party browsers are not allowed to use full screen mode. This is to prevent actual web apps from being viable. > I would cry a river except the standards you're mentioning are mostly made to benefit Google This mindset makes 0 sense. Yes, things like http/3 and webtransport benefit google, but it also benefits literally everyone else not named Apple.
- nottorp 2y ago
  > WebKit can't use more than 500mb per tab in iOs SO MUCH? Do I look like i can afford infinite ram? > benefits literally everyone else not named Apple. No, it seems to me it benefits javascript app developers in addition to Google. I see zero benefit for the users.
  - brigadier132 2y ago
    Benefits javascript developers? I'm writing rust and compiling to webassembly. > I see zero benefit for the users You seem to think that all the web apps that exist would just be native apps if the web didn't support js. Your way of thinking reeks of 4chan/g from 2005. Next you are going to start complaining about "bloat". Also fyi, people that create things tend to be users of their own creations.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      > Benefits javascript developers? I'm writing rust and compiling to webassembly. And pray tell, why aren't you compiling to native? > You seem to think that all the web apps that exist would just be native apps if the web didn't support js. Or not exist at all if there is no market :) However, I'm pretty sure that niche apps have always existed, even when they were native. I've used a fair few.
      - pas 2y ago
        shipping native on phones requires going through the gates of the walled garden. and it's a fucking hassle.
  - brigadier132 2y ago
    Also, I'm done talking to you because it seems like you are here to troll and just argue in bad faith. I need to learn to identify people that like to shift goalposts faster. I hope people care more about the things you value than your apparent lack of care of others.