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I've found this line of argument can really help open people's eyes to the opportunities around them. Even if you're an employee (or job seeker), you are runni

by ef4 14y ago

I've found this line of argument can really help open people's eyes to the opportunities around them. Even if you're an employee (or job seeker), you are running a business. Your product is your skills. Your market is all your potential employers. What are you doing to market your product? What are you doing to improve it? Are you selling to the right market? What would it take to develop a different product or adapt it to a market you'd rather be in? Everybody who works for a living is in business. Some people just don't realize it, and therefore do it really badly.

drivingmenuts 14y ago
> Everybody who works for a living is in business. That is, to me, a very depressing thought. I'd much rather write code or come up with ways to solve problems (related to code or that can be coded) than have to think about business.
- lotharbot 14y ago
  All the code or problem-solutions in the world aren't worth anything if nobody uses them. Business is about taking those problem-solutions and getting them into the hands of customers, and getting feedback from customers that lets you improve those solutions. Even if you're just a coder for BigCo, you'll be a lot better at your job if you can work with your customer (boss) to understand their requirements and their goals, and deliver well-targeted solutions.
- achamian 14y ago
  But if you consider your technical skills as a product you are selling to the companies who want a software solution you are upgrading your product/skill offering whenever you come up with a new and more reliable way to solve a given problem. Contribution to open source or writing a technical blog post is marketing. Learning new programming language is exploring a new market segment. If you are passionate about programming, you are already doing one or more of these things for fun.
- ef4 14y ago
  In my head, I translate that as "I don't want to think about whether my code actually helps anyone." Because if you do care, you necessary need to (1) learn what someone's problem really is, (2) figure out how to solve it, (3) explain your solution to them so they use it. And at that point, you're "doing business". Business is not accounting. It's problem solving. It's designing algorithms that run on people and processors. And you measure the performance of your algorithm in money, because money is the best measurable proxy we have for "what people value".
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  - dgreensp 14y ago
    It's completely possible to _care_ about whether your code actually helps anyone without ever thinking or worrying about it yourself. All you have to do is trust someone else to make sure you're not wasting your time, whether it's your boss, CEO, or co-founder, and perhaps they can make this determination better than you. It sounds like you feel you have to be in charge of the business to know you're not wasting your time, but not everyone feels this way. I support a world with strong organizations and separation of responsibility, where designers can design, programmers can program, and chefs can cook lunch, and if the company fails, well, at least lunch was delicious. It's not the back-end programmer's fault for not spending his shower time thinking about the business model. Most people aren't looking for a financially risky job; it's on the entrepreneur to take the risk. Alternatively, let's just get rid of salaries and everyone can work for equity. Then they'll _really_ be thinking about how much their work is helping the customer.
  - lisperforlife 14y ago
    Sometimes you want to do things just for the sake of doing it without thinking about its use/utility. There is nothing wrong with that. Not everything you do needs to have a purpose but that may/may not lead to great things with purpose later. Richard Feynman was famous for working on the physics of wobbling discs that led him to a nobel prize later.

by ef4 14y ago

drivingmenuts 14y ago

> Everybody who works for a living is in business. That is, to me, a very depressing thought. I'd much rather write code or come up with ways to solve problems (related to code or that can be coded) than have to think about business.

lotharbot 14y ago
All the code or problem-solutions in the world aren't worth anything if nobody uses them. Business is about taking those problem-solutions and getting them into the hands of customers, and getting feedback from customers that lets you improve those solutions. Even if you're just a coder for BigCo, you'll be a lot better at your job if you can work with your customer (boss) to understand their requirements and their goals, and deliver well-targeted solutions.
achamian 14y ago
But if you consider your technical skills as a product you are selling to the companies who want a software solution you are upgrading your product/skill offering whenever you come up with a new and more reliable way to solve a given problem. Contribution to open source or writing a technical blog post is marketing. Learning new programming language is exploring a new market segment. If you are passionate about programming, you are already doing one or more of these things for fun.
ef4 14y ago
In my head, I translate that as "I don't want to think about whether my code actually helps anyone." Because if you do care, you necessary need to (1) learn what someone's problem really is, (2) figure out how to solve it, (3) explain your solution to them so they use it. And at that point, you're "doing business". Business is not accounting. It's problem solving. It's designing algorithms that run on people and processors. And you measure the performance of your algorithm in money, because money is the best measurable proxy we have for "what people value".
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- dgreensp 14y ago
  It's completely possible to _care_ about whether your code actually helps anyone without ever thinking or worrying about it yourself. All you have to do is trust someone else to make sure you're not wasting your time, whether it's your boss, CEO, or co-founder, and perhaps they can make this determination better than you. It sounds like you feel you have to be in charge of the business to know you're not wasting your time, but not everyone feels this way. I support a world with strong organizations and separation of responsibility, where designers can design, programmers can program, and chefs can cook lunch, and if the company fails, well, at least lunch was delicious. It's not the back-end programmer's fault for not spending his shower time thinking about the business model. Most people aren't looking for a financially risky job; it's on the entrepreneur to take the risk. Alternatively, let's just get rid of salaries and everyone can work for equity. Then they'll _really_ be thinking about how much their work is helping the customer.
- lisperforlife 14y ago
  Sometimes you want to do things just for the sake of doing it without thinking about its use/utility. There is nothing wrong with that. Not everything you do needs to have a purpose but that may/may not lead to great things with purpose later. Richard Feynman was famous for working on the physics of wobbling discs that led him to a nobel prize later.