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You can download one of the dozens of OSM-editing apps like: - streetcomplete - vespucci - everydoor and either add that information yourself or leave a note

You can download one of the dozens of OSM-editing apps like: - streetcomplete - vespucci - everydoor and either add that information yourself or leave a note for other people

dmd 2y ago
If I had the information I wouldn’t be looking it up.
- palata 2y ago
  I guess the point of the parent is that if more people were contributing information, then you would get it from OSM.
  - failbuffer 2y ago
    For relatively static info, sure. For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems. For stuff like store times, etc, you need sufficient market power so that business owners are incentived to provide that info.
    - zaik 2y ago
      I added/updated hundreds of opening hours to OSM. A few people updating the opening hours to the shops they go to is already worth a lot.
      - dmd 2y ago
        And did you update it again a few days later when they changed their opening hours? Google - a real person - calls every week to update.
        zaik 2y ago
        Maybe this is a cultural difference, but in my city opening hours are pretty stable. Sometimes they're even engraved in the store sign. There are exceptions though.
        dmd 2y ago
        lol yeah that’s not a thing here.
    - palata 2y ago
      > business owners are incentived to provide that info. Business owners usually provide it on their door. I added opening hours to many places, and importantly I didn't have to add opening hours to many other because they already had them. > For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems. For public transportation, I personally usually need to buy a ticket, which Google Maps doesn't provide. So I use the public transportation app of the country in question. For countries where public transportation are public, which usually implies an app, of course. Countries that have broken public transportation won't work the same, but anyway the public transportation is broken there :-).
sam_lowry_ 2y ago
OrganicMaps lets you also add points and attributes to OSM.
- Aachen 2y ago
  I seem to remember they have a history of incorrect tags or tag combinations being applied by their software though. Not sure what the current state is but may be something to look into before using OrganicMaps as a mapping application when there's other good options
- zikduruqe 2y ago
  And you can import gpx files into it also.
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carlosjobim 2y ago
Why should he/she labour for free for the shop owners?
- jwalton 2y ago
  How do you think google maps got such a good database of these things? When I last used it, Google maps used to actively ask you for this sort of information.
  - lolc 2y ago
    And the tragic thing is that Google the monopolist rides on people's helpful inclinations then turns around and sells their contributions. I actively avoid contributing to that corp. Not even marking spam. Let them drown in the fruits of their own incentives.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    The shop owners also put their hours onto Google Maps, or paid somebody to do it. You shouldn't labour for free for Google either. Even if you managed to help a shop get hundreds or thousands of new customers by updating their online information, they wouldn't even give you a cup of coffee if you asked. More likely they'd spit in your face. For most physical businesses that are open to the public, correct information on map services are by far their most important advertising. Yet, they neglect this and spend thousands on billboards, social media, radio spots, etc. If they are failing as business owners, that's their own problem.
  - e_y_ 2y ago
    I think they even robocall stores with something similar to Assistant to check if they're open on holidays, which is definitely something that would be difficult for a smaller or community-run database to accomplish at scale
- lolc 2y ago
  I sure wish shop owners updated their hours. But in the end OSM is better if I do it, and others do it. It's called collaboration.

You can download one of the dozens of OSM-editing apps like: - streetcomplete - vespucci - everydoor and either add that information yourself or leave a note for other people

dmd 2y ago

If I had the information I wouldn’t be looking it up.

palata 2y ago
I guess the point of the parent is that if more people were contributing information, then you would get it from OSM.
- failbuffer 2y ago
  For relatively static info, sure. For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems. For stuff like store times, etc, you need sufficient market power so that business owners are incentived to provide that info.
  - zaik 2y ago
    I added/updated hundreds of opening hours to OSM. A few people updating the opening hours to the shops they go to is already worth a lot.
    - dmd 2y ago
      And did you update it again a few days later when they changed their opening hours? Google - a real person - calls every week to update.
      - zaik 2y ago
        Maybe this is a cultural difference, but in my city opening hours are pretty stable. Sometimes they're even engraved in the store sign. There are exceptions though.
        dmd 2y ago
        lol yeah that’s not a thing here.
  - palata 2y ago
    > business owners are incentived to provide that info. Business owners usually provide it on their door. I added opening hours to many places, and importantly I didn't have to add opening hours to many other because they already had them. > For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems. For public transportation, I personally usually need to buy a ticket, which Google Maps doesn't provide. So I use the public transportation app of the country in question. For countries where public transportation are public, which usually implies an app, of course. Countries that have broken public transportation won't work the same, but anyway the public transportation is broken there :-).

sam_lowry_ 2y ago

OrganicMaps lets you also add points and attributes to OSM.

Aachen 2y ago
I seem to remember they have a history of incorrect tags or tag combinations being applied by their software though. Not sure what the current state is but may be something to look into before using OrganicMaps as a mapping application when there's other good options
zikduruqe 2y ago
And you can import gpx files into it also.

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carlosjobim 2y ago

Why should he/she labour for free for the shop owners?

jwalton 2y ago
How do you think google maps got such a good database of these things? When I last used it, Google maps used to actively ask you for this sort of information.
- lolc 2y ago
  And the tragic thing is that Google the monopolist rides on people's helpful inclinations then turns around and sells their contributions. I actively avoid contributing to that corp. Not even marking spam. Let them drown in the fruits of their own incentives.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  The shop owners also put their hours onto Google Maps, or paid somebody to do it. You shouldn't labour for free for Google either. Even if you managed to help a shop get hundreds or thousands of new customers by updating their online information, they wouldn't even give you a cup of coffee if you asked. More likely they'd spit in your face. For most physical businesses that are open to the public, correct information on map services are by far their most important advertising. Yet, they neglect this and spend thousands on billboards, social media, radio spots, etc. If they are failing as business owners, that's their own problem.
- e_y_ 2y ago
  I think they even robocall stores with something similar to Assistant to check if they're open on holidays, which is definitely something that would be difficult for a smaller or community-run database to accomplish at scale
lolc 2y ago
I sure wish shop owners updated their hours. But in the end OSM is better if I do it, and others do it. It's called collaboration.