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Having short term contracts solved this a long time ago and is mostly a fallacy.

by consp 2y ago

refurb 2y ago
How is a short term contract a solution? It sounds like you don’t have a job at the end of the contract?
- lazyasciiart 2y ago
  Yes, but you know when that will happen.
  - lazide 2y ago
    Soon. Maybe, since it could get renewed eh? The US also has contractors.
Leherenn 2y ago
Short term contracts have pretty big downsides though. It's basically impossible to get a mortgage on a short term contract, or more generally any kind of loan. Even renting is difficult. That's why many EU countries have pretty strict limitations on short term contracts, like how many you can do in a row. It results in a huge reliance on contractors.
lazide 2y ago
Short term contracts are basically taking the entirety of the ‘shit’ end of the stick for someone else, and are way worse than the median tech job in the US conditions wise.
ekianjo 2y ago
nope. you dont invest the same way in a 6 month contractor that you are not sure to renew down the road as you would for a full time employee. And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either.
- Timon3 2y ago
  > And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either. Can you explain your thoughts here a bit further? The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract. This should provide extra incentive to perform well compared to a full time employee (who doesn't have to worry about either), as long the as the company is a good employer.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract. As someone in games, this is exactly the road to getting exploited. "If I work harder and really wow them with this feature, I could get full time work!" meanwhile, there were plans to not renew anyone at the end of the project and to lay off full time workers. But you get a convinient carrot to lure starry-eyed devs with Your "as long as the company is a good employer" is doing Atlas levels of lifing here.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      Sure, that's my point. There is nothing inherent in short term contracts that makes employees less invested - that's your fault as a company.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Burn too much good will and people will treat the contract as a contract. And not a hope to impress the boss for a ft role. Another short term exploitation that turns into long term cynicism. I don't think that's happening in games or tech, but it's been widely observed that Gen Z is less invested in corporate than ever before (or from the boomer's POV: "nobody wants to work anymore").
        Timon3 2y ago
        Sadly, that's what happens when everything is treated as a resource in exchange for short-term gains. Employees, good will, any morals and ethics - all will be sacrificed on the altar of shareholder value.

Having short term contracts solved this a long time ago and is mostly a fallacy.

by consp 2y ago

Having short term contracts solved this a long time ago and is mostly a fallacy.

refurb 2y ago

How is a short term contract a solution? It sounds like you don’t have a job at the end of the contract?

lazyasciiart 2y ago
Yes, but you know when that will happen.
- lazide 2y ago
  Soon. Maybe, since it could get renewed eh? The US also has contractors.

Leherenn 2y ago

Short term contracts have pretty big downsides though. It's basically impossible to get a mortgage on a short term contract, or more generally any kind of loan. Even renting is difficult. That's why many EU countries have pretty strict limitations on short term contracts, like how many you can do in a row. It results in a huge reliance on contractors.

lazide 2y ago

Short term contracts are basically taking the entirety of the ‘shit’ end of the stick for someone else, and are way worse than the median tech job in the US conditions wise.

ekianjo 2y ago

nope. you dont invest the same way in a 6 month contractor that you are not sure to renew down the road as you would for a full time employee. And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either.

Timon3 2y ago
> And this goes both ways. The contractor has not much incentive to perform well either. Can you explain your thoughts here a bit further? The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract. This should provide extra incentive to perform well compared to a full time employee (who doesn't have to worry about either), as long the as the company is a good employer.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >The short term contract can be renewed or replaced with a full time contract. As someone in games, this is exactly the road to getting exploited. "If I work harder and really wow them with this feature, I could get full time work!" meanwhile, there were plans to not renew anyone at the end of the project and to lay off full time workers. But you get a convinient carrot to lure starry-eyed devs with Your "as long as the company is a good employer" is doing Atlas levels of lifing here.
  - Timon3 2y ago
    Sure, that's my point. There is nothing inherent in short term contracts that makes employees less invested - that's your fault as a company.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Burn too much good will and people will treat the contract as a contract. And not a hope to impress the boss for a ft role. Another short term exploitation that turns into long term cynicism. I don't think that's happening in games or tech, but it's been widely observed that Gen Z is less invested in corporate than ever before (or from the boomer's POV: "nobody wants to work anymore").
      - Timon3 2y ago
        Sadly, that's what happens when everything is treated as a resource in exchange for short-term gains. Employees, good will, any morals and ethics - all will be sacrificed on the altar of shareholder value.