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Bizarre how the scare popup doesn't have a button to immediately go to the right place in Settings (or even just enable the feature right there). Typical Apple

Bizarre how the scare popup doesn't have a button to immediately go to the right place in Settings (or even just enable the feature right there). Typical Apple though. It's the same mess on macOS to allow running software installed from the web.

madeofpalk 2y ago
Eeehh, conveniently, this is consistent with their other “scare popups” that don’t directly harm their business model like installing provisioning profiles. They’re installed via Safari, where a pop up tells you the instructions to go to in Settings, rather than a button to take you there.
threeseed 2y ago
Apple has never allowed any app to jump to straight into the right Settings page on iOS or macOS. Even apps requesting notification changes require users to click through manually.
- popcalc 2y ago
  >Apple has never allowed any app to jump to straight into the right Settings page on iOS or macOS. Wrong. Dating apps can and do deeplink to their geolocation permissions settings.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    Which dating app. Never seen any app able to deep link beyond the first level in Settings.
    - kalleboo 2y ago
      https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiapplication/1623042-opensettingsurlstring/ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiapplicatio... This brings the app to your apps settings page which includes the permissions toggles. We use it in our camera app when the user has denied camera permissions (kind of vital) and need help turning it back on, it brings them right to the correct toggle
jeroenhd 2y ago
On the one hand I agree that it's a bit silly that the messaging isn't clear. On the other hand, from my experience with Android installation, providing easy steps for end users who don't know what they're agreeing with leads to lots of malware and other nasty stuff. Android has recently started blocking users from granting some sensitive permissions to apps from settings dialogues spawned by the app itself for this reason. You need to manually open the settings to grant the most sensitive permissions. This has the benefit of requiring the user to know what power they're granting these apps, but the process is a lot less straight-forward than this was on iOS.
- epolanski 2y ago
  I've never had a malware on Android like ever. Let alone you need to manually give permissions to everything.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    > I've never had a malware on Android like ever. Unfortunately, it's somewhat common among the less tech-savvy. In countries where Android is more popular, a lot of scam callers call to tell you that your phone has a virus and to install their "special app", of course the special app needs to check that there's no virus hiding in the camera so it needs camera permissions, of course it's safe if it has made-by-the-police in the name. People who don't know how tech works absolutely fall for this.
  - wappieslurkz 2y ago
    How do you know you've never had any malware? Isn't most malware designed to be as stealth as possible?
- xg15 2y ago
  Yeah, genuine security concerns are one thing, blocking competition or things that threaten your business model is another.
- illiac786 2y ago
  The problem here (in the malware case) is that the user is not reading or understanding the warnings. Making it harder for the user to do what he wants is not the right solution, apple should focus on making sure the user knows what he wants: the warning should be clearer or more explicit. Otherwise apple is penalising everyone that knows what they’re doing, it makes gamers angry, it’s just a bad look.
xg15 2y ago
Yeah, even more so when you then open the Settings app and it immediately greets you with a bespoke "install Epic Store" button. So there is an actual install flow going on in the background, in which Safari communicates with Settings, it's just specifically designed so you have to look up and open the Settings app yourself, instead of just opening it for you. Reminds me of the ridiculous hoops Google built into Chrome to discourage you from sideloading extensions - having you activate "dev mode" before, sure, but then also making dragging and dropping the extension file onto the Chrome window the only way to actually install it.

madeofpalk 2y ago

Eeehh, conveniently, this is consistent with their other “scare popups” that don’t directly harm their business model like installing provisioning profiles. They’re installed via Safari, where a pop up tells you the instructions to go to in Settings, rather than a button to take you there.

threeseed 2y ago

Apple has never allowed any app to jump to straight into the right Settings page on iOS or macOS. Even apps requesting notification changes require users to click through manually.

popcalc 2y ago
>Apple has never allowed any app to jump to straight into the right Settings page on iOS or macOS. Wrong. Dating apps can and do deeplink to their geolocation permissions settings.
- threeseed 2y ago
  Which dating app. Never seen any app able to deep link beyond the first level in Settings.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiapplication/1623042-opensettingsurlstring/ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiapplicatio... This brings the app to your apps settings page which includes the permissions toggles. We use it in our camera app when the user has denied camera permissions (kind of vital) and need help turning it back on, it brings them right to the correct toggle

jeroenhd 2y ago

On the one hand I agree that it's a bit silly that the messaging isn't clear. On the other hand, from my experience with Android installation, providing easy steps for end users who don't know what they're agreeing with leads to lots of malware and other nasty stuff. Android has recently started blocking users from granting some sensitive permissions to apps from settings dialogues spawned by the app itself for this reason. You need to manually open the settings to grant the most sensitive permissions. This has the benefit of requiring the user to know what power they're granting these apps, but the process is a lot less straight-forward than this was on iOS.

epolanski 2y ago
I've never had a malware on Android like ever. Let alone you need to manually give permissions to everything.
- miki123211 2y ago
  > I've never had a malware on Android like ever. Unfortunately, it's somewhat common among the less tech-savvy. In countries where Android is more popular, a lot of scam callers call to tell you that your phone has a virus and to install their "special app", of course the special app needs to check that there's no virus hiding in the camera so it needs camera permissions, of course it's safe if it has made-by-the-police in the name. People who don't know how tech works absolutely fall for this.
- wappieslurkz 2y ago
  How do you know you've never had any malware? Isn't most malware designed to be as stealth as possible?
xg15 2y ago
Yeah, genuine security concerns are one thing, blocking competition or things that threaten your business model is another.
illiac786 2y ago
The problem here (in the malware case) is that the user is not reading or understanding the warnings. Making it harder for the user to do what he wants is not the right solution, apple should focus on making sure the user knows what he wants: the warning should be clearer or more explicit. Otherwise apple is penalising everyone that knows what they’re doing, it makes gamers angry, it’s just a bad look.

xg15 2y ago

Yeah, even more so when you then open the Settings app and it immediately greets you with a bespoke "install Epic Store" button. So there is an actual install flow going on in the background, in which Safari communicates with Settings, it's just specifically designed so you have to look up and open the Settings app yourself, instead of just opening it for you. Reminds me of the ridiculous hoops Google built into Chrome to discourage you from sideloading extensions - having you activate "dev mode" before, sure, but then also making dragging and dropping the extension file onto the Chrome window the only way to actually install it.