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Apple is an advertising company too. They conveniently exempt themselves from the tracking restrictions they put on their competitors, like blocking access to d

by fmajid 2y ago

Apple is an advertising company too. They conveniently exempt themselves from the tracking restrictions they put on their competitors, like blocking access to device identifiers. You would be a fool to trust them with your privacy.

rcarmo 2y ago
I think you're being overly paranoid. Apple is not an advertising company. They are a hardware company first and foremost, with a content and services business that goes to extreme lengths to ensure privacy. The Apple routers and access points did zero traffic inspection (other than IGMP) and had absolutely no tracking features. Please do not bring biased, toxic reasoning into the conversation.
- foogazi 2y ago
  > I think you're being overly paranoid. No shortage of paranoid comments here
  - whackyMax 2y ago
    I think it’s okay to be paranoid in this space. Most of us are playing the role of consumers here. Strictly identifying the data collected, and identifying Apple’s interest/ disinterest in using that data for its own shareholder’s profit is definitely worth looking at from a consumers pov.
- fmajid 2y ago
  Their hardware business is flatlining and they are relying on “services” for growth. Guess what “services” is? Primarily the 30% tax on transactions, but also their fast-growing advertising business. As for data collection, iOS is only marginally better than Android, and Apple exempts itself from the IDFA controls it imposes on 3rd-party apps. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/android-ios-data-collection https://www.tomsguide.com/news/android-ios-data-collection
firesteelrain 2y ago
Apple's primary business model revolves around selling hardware, software, and services rather than advertising. Unlike companies such as Google and Facebook, which generate the majority of their revenue from targeted advertising, Apple earns most of its revenue from the sale of iPhones, Macs, iPads, and various services like iCloud and Apple Music. This fundamental difference in business models shapes their approach to user data and privacy. Apple has positioned itself as a company that prioritizes user privacy. Over the years, Apple has implemented numerous privacy features, such as App Tracking Transparency (ATT), which requires apps to obtain user permission before tracking their activity across other apps and websites. Apple's privacy policies are often stricter than those of other tech companies, reflecting their commitment to protecting user data. The claim that Apple exempts itself from tracking restrictions is misleading. While Apple does have access to certain data from its own ecosystem, such as app usage and iCloud data, it does not sell this data to third parties or use it for targeted advertising in the same way that companies like Google do. Apple's advertising business is limited to its own App Store, News, and Stocks apps, and the data used for ad targeting within these apps is based on user interactions within Apple’s ecosystem, with strict limits on data sharing. Apple provides users with clear choices and transparency about how their data is used. With features like App Tracking Transparency, Privacy Labels, and the ability to limit ad tracking, Apple gives users more control over their data than most other tech companies. Users can choose to opt-out of personalized ads and tracking, which is a level of control not universally offered by other major tech firms. Apple’s privacy practices are subject to regulatory oversight in various jurisdictions. Any attempt to exempt itself from its own privacy rules would likely face legal challenges and public scrutiny, further deterring Apple from engaging in practices that would undermine user trust.
- windexh8er 2y ago
  > Apple provides users with clear choices and transparency about how their data is used. And this is where this fantasy story went too far. Just a simple search of "Apple dark patterns" will yield years of tricking people into giving away massive amounts of data that they wouldn't if they really knew how the controls worked. I'll also leave this at: you have no clue how Apple uses your data. To say otherwise is a flat out lie. SaaS is not a panacea because it's Apple and they market "privacy" and/or "security".

by fmajid 2y ago

rcarmo 2y ago

I think you're being overly paranoid. Apple is not an advertising company. They are a hardware company first and foremost, with a content and services business that goes to extreme lengths to ensure privacy. The Apple routers and access points did zero traffic inspection (other than IGMP) and had absolutely no tracking features. Please do not bring biased, toxic reasoning into the conversation.

foogazi 2y ago
> I think you're being overly paranoid. No shortage of paranoid comments here
- whackyMax 2y ago
  I think it’s okay to be paranoid in this space. Most of us are playing the role of consumers here. Strictly identifying the data collected, and identifying Apple’s interest/ disinterest in using that data for its own shareholder’s profit is definitely worth looking at from a consumers pov.
fmajid 2y ago
Their hardware business is flatlining and they are relying on “services” for growth. Guess what “services” is? Primarily the 30% tax on transactions, but also their fast-growing advertising business. As for data collection, iOS is only marginally better than Android, and Apple exempts itself from the IDFA controls it imposes on 3rd-party apps. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/android-ios-data-collection https://www.tomsguide.com/news/android-ios-data-collection

firesteelrain 2y ago

Apple's primary business model revolves around selling hardware, software, and services rather than advertising. Unlike companies such as Google and Facebook, which generate the majority of their revenue from targeted advertising, Apple earns most of its revenue from the sale of iPhones, Macs, iPads, and various services like iCloud and Apple Music. This fundamental difference in business models shapes their approach to user data and privacy. Apple has positioned itself as a company that prioritizes user privacy. Over the years, Apple has implemented numerous privacy features, such as App Tracking Transparency (ATT), which requires apps to obtain user permission before tracking their activity across other apps and websites. Apple's privacy policies are often stricter than those of other tech companies, reflecting their commitment to protecting user data. The claim that Apple exempts itself from tracking restrictions is misleading. While Apple does have access to certain data from its own ecosystem, such as app usage and iCloud data, it does not sell this data to third parties or use it for targeted advertising in the same way that companies like Google do. Apple's advertising business is limited to its own App Store, News, and Stocks apps, and the data used for ad targeting within these apps is based on user interactions within Apple’s ecosystem, with strict limits on data sharing. Apple provides users with clear choices and transparency about how their data is used. With features like App Tracking Transparency, Privacy Labels, and the ability to limit ad tracking, Apple gives users more control over their data than most other tech companies. Users can choose to opt-out of personalized ads and tracking, which is a level of control not universally offered by other major tech firms. Apple’s privacy practices are subject to regulatory oversight in various jurisdictions. Any attempt to exempt itself from its own privacy rules would likely face legal challenges and public scrutiny, further deterring Apple from engaging in practices that would undermine user trust.

windexh8er 2y ago
> Apple provides users with clear choices and transparency about how their data is used. And this is where this fantasy story went too far. Just a simple search of "Apple dark patterns" will yield years of tricking people into giving away massive amounts of data that they wouldn't if they really knew how the controls worked. I'll also leave this at: you have no clue how Apple uses your data. To say otherwise is a flat out lie. SaaS is not a panacea because it's Apple and they market "privacy" and/or "security".