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Surely you could just... Use a different chat system?

by jclulow 2y ago

muixoozie 2y ago
For real.. Zulip exists
- Hamuko 2y ago
  So does IRC. 36 years and counting.
  - chx 2y ago
    Let me generalize this thread because it was archetypical. #1: Much used, leading service went down the enshittification route. If we did this extremely convoluted geeky hack everything would be back to normal (it wouldn't). #2: Let's use another service. #3 and on: yes, here are other services which no one aside from statistical error uses. Sigh. Remember when people suggested to use Lemmy instead of Reddit? You might ask, what's the point of this comment. Well, it's to get people to read https://pluralistic.net/ https://pluralistic.net/ more and for the geeks to start unionizing before it's too late (it already is).
    - Flop7331 2y ago
      I used to really dislike Cory Doctorow back in the BoingBoing days, but he's really putting out some great stuff lately. I'm not sure which of us changed. Particularly nice that the top article right now is a takedown of a company that screwed me over, so I might also be biased.
    - immibis 2y ago
      A few Reddit communities moved to Lemmy successfully. The key was that the community leader decisively said "We are moving there. No more posting here." and people who wanted to remain in the community did so. Another important factor is that people wanted to remain in the community - it wasn't just slop content for scrolling past, that no one missed.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    yes but IRC was made for a different era and failed to modernize. Now, if you want to take a bunch of plugins and specific clients on top of baseline IRC so it's actually competitive then you'd want to call it something new. something that accounts for the matrix of options available to users. hmm. zulip's rather great tho.
cassianoleal 2y ago
The problem is, as always, that the value people take out of these systems is not inherent to the system itself but rather to the people on it. Moving 100s of people out of a certain Slack server to a different chat system may prove untenable or outright impossible. Doing that for a few Slack servers, especially ones where you're just another regular user, would likely be a full-time job, and a fool's errand at that.

Surely you could just... Use a different chat system?

muixoozie 2y ago

For real.. Zulip exists

Hamuko 2y ago
So does IRC. 36 years and counting.
- chx 2y ago
  Let me generalize this thread because it was archetypical. #1: Much used, leading service went down the enshittification route. If we did this extremely convoluted geeky hack everything would be back to normal (it wouldn't). #2: Let's use another service. #3 and on: yes, here are other services which no one aside from statistical error uses. Sigh. Remember when people suggested to use Lemmy instead of Reddit? You might ask, what's the point of this comment. Well, it's to get people to read https://pluralistic.net/ https://pluralistic.net/ more and for the geeks to start unionizing before it's too late (it already is).
  - Flop7331 2y ago
    I used to really dislike Cory Doctorow back in the BoingBoing days, but he's really putting out some great stuff lately. I'm not sure which of us changed. Particularly nice that the top article right now is a takedown of a company that screwed me over, so I might also be biased.
  - immibis 2y ago
    A few Reddit communities moved to Lemmy successfully. The key was that the community leader decisively said "We are moving there. No more posting here." and people who wanted to remain in the community did so. Another important factor is that people wanted to remain in the community - it wasn't just slop content for scrolling past, that no one missed.
- fragmede 2y ago
  yes but IRC was made for a different era and failed to modernize. Now, if you want to take a bunch of plugins and specific clients on top of baseline IRC so it's actually competitive then you'd want to call it something new. something that accounts for the matrix of options available to users. hmm. zulip's rather great tho.

cassianoleal 2y ago

The problem is, as always, that the value people take out of these systems is not inherent to the system itself but rather to the people on it. Moving 100s of people out of a certain Slack server to a different chat system may prove untenable or outright impossible. Doing that for a few Slack servers, especially ones where you're just another regular user, would likely be a full-time job, and a fool's errand at that.