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Plume can use IEEE 802.11bf Wi-Fi Sensing to monitor movement in homes, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/from-wi-fi-to-spy-fi-we-test-plumes-new-motion

Plume can use IEEE 802.11bf Wi-Fi Sensing to monitor movement in homes, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/from-wi-fi-to-spy-fi-we-test-plumes-new-motion-detection-feature/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/from-wi-fi-to-spy-fi... > Plume is doing real-time analysis of extremely low-level RF data pulled from the Superpods' radios. This is real motion detection, with no gimmicks involved.. Consumers who are already paranoid about mesh telemetry really aren't going to love the addition of motion detection. RF/radar human detection is present in Intel Meteor Lake and likely to appear in upcoming "AI" PCs.

smegger001 2y ago
why is this a thing we want in our computers again? how does this help consumers buying the hardware exactly? I mean i get why the nsa or adsense might want it but they aren't the ones buying the "AI" PC are they. where is the value ad proposition for consumers?
- fmajid 2y ago
  It's a "feature" introduced to allow businesses to track their employees' movements in the office.
- bboygravity 2y ago
  Samsung spyware in TV's and smartphones and Lenovo rootkits in laptops (random examples) have shown that customers only need 1 simple value proposition to be ok with being spied on: slightly cheaper hardware. The companies can offer cheaper hardware and software, because they (and their business and government clients) spy on you. TLDR: end-users are not the only customers.
  - im3w1l 2y ago
    I think this is inaccurate, people simply feel like its hard to keep up with all the abuses and that they are powerless to stop them by voting with their wallet. But they do want politicians to outlaw such practices, which indicates they aren't happy and satisfied with the status quo.
- ianburrell 2y ago
  I can think of a couple of uses. None of them require the cloud. None are worth the investment. One is sensing where people are in the home. Could be used to turn on lights, but that isn’t worth with LEDs. I would love to know where my cats are without searching the house, Another is sensing gestures. Instead of talking to home assistant, you can make rude gestures. This would primarily be useful for the deaf. For computers, might be good enough for tracking head position. Or track hand position for pointing at screen. Niches uses but useful if can use builtin WiFi than special sensor.
iwishiknewlisp 2y ago
I only use ethernet for my computer and I don't even have a wifi card. Switching to a wired ethnernet only router might be the way to go. But there is still other concerns such as the Intel and AMD management engines.
- transpute 2y ago
  Wi-Fi in 2023 Meteor Lake and 2024 Lunar Lake is integrated into the SoC. In older devices, an M.2 Wi-Fi radio can be physically removed.
  - ac29 2y ago
    Are you talking about CNVi? It predates Meteor Lake by quite a bit. Also, the implementation on the SoC is only part of the WiFi stack, it still needs an additional RF chip.
    - transpute 2y ago
      Thanks, didn't realize it went back to 8th gen. BT/WiFi split between SoC and PCIe device will be fun for IOMMU passthrough.
- M95D 2y ago
  It doesn't matter. You probably don't live in the forest. You have neighbours, probably that kind of people that don't understand technology and buy the latest fancy TV, laptop, or allow the ISP to install whatever equipment they want "for free". BTW, how are you going to avoid installing the ONT from your ISP?
  - iwishiknewlisp 2y ago
    copper is going to be around for a very long time, 20 years ago we were supposed to all have fiber in 10 years. Yeah, I will believe it when I see it. Also its possible from my understanding to use your own OST. At the very least you could just put it in a makeshift faraday cage. > You probably don't live in the forest. You have neighbours Lot of people in the United States live in very rural areas with their nearest neighbor being 5-10 miles away. The cheapest places to buy are also in rural areas. With the popularity of work from home rising, its not crazy to think a large amount of people will start living in secluded places. Anyway, packing like a sardine in a city is gross and for gross people. If you can't be happy alone in nature, don't deserve to be happy. Urbanites are the lowest species of human, with the highest crime rate and most drug use and homelessness. They are all depressed, neurotic freaks because they live in an environment where you xan't even see the stars in the night sky where there is constant noises every second of the day. No wonder these people all need anti depressants and anti anxiety medication.

smegger001 2y ago

why is this a thing we want in our computers again? how does this help consumers buying the hardware exactly? I mean i get why the nsa or adsense might want it but they aren't the ones buying the "AI" PC are they. where is the value ad proposition for consumers?

fmajid 2y ago
It's a "feature" introduced to allow businesses to track their employees' movements in the office.
bboygravity 2y ago
Samsung spyware in TV's and smartphones and Lenovo rootkits in laptops (random examples) have shown that customers only need 1 simple value proposition to be ok with being spied on: slightly cheaper hardware. The companies can offer cheaper hardware and software, because they (and their business and government clients) spy on you. TLDR: end-users are not the only customers.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  I think this is inaccurate, people simply feel like its hard to keep up with all the abuses and that they are powerless to stop them by voting with their wallet. But they do want politicians to outlaw such practices, which indicates they aren't happy and satisfied with the status quo.
ianburrell 2y ago
I can think of a couple of uses. None of them require the cloud. None are worth the investment. One is sensing where people are in the home. Could be used to turn on lights, but that isn’t worth with LEDs. I would love to know where my cats are without searching the house, Another is sensing gestures. Instead of talking to home assistant, you can make rude gestures. This would primarily be useful for the deaf. For computers, might be good enough for tracking head position. Or track hand position for pointing at screen. Niches uses but useful if can use builtin WiFi than special sensor.

iwishiknewlisp 2y ago

I only use ethernet for my computer and I don't even have a wifi card. Switching to a wired ethnernet only router might be the way to go. But there is still other concerns such as the Intel and AMD management engines.

transpute 2y ago
Wi-Fi in 2023 Meteor Lake and 2024 Lunar Lake is integrated into the SoC. In older devices, an M.2 Wi-Fi radio can be physically removed.
- ac29 2y ago
  Are you talking about CNVi? It predates Meteor Lake by quite a bit. Also, the implementation on the SoC is only part of the WiFi stack, it still needs an additional RF chip.
  - transpute 2y ago
    Thanks, didn't realize it went back to 8th gen. BT/WiFi split between SoC and PCIe device will be fun for IOMMU passthrough.
M95D 2y ago
It doesn't matter. You probably don't live in the forest. You have neighbours, probably that kind of people that don't understand technology and buy the latest fancy TV, laptop, or allow the ISP to install whatever equipment they want "for free". BTW, how are you going to avoid installing the ONT from your ISP?
- iwishiknewlisp 2y ago
  copper is going to be around for a very long time, 20 years ago we were supposed to all have fiber in 10 years. Yeah, I will believe it when I see it. Also its possible from my understanding to use your own OST. At the very least you could just put it in a makeshift faraday cage. > You probably don't live in the forest. You have neighbours Lot of people in the United States live in very rural areas with their nearest neighbor being 5-10 miles away. The cheapest places to buy are also in rural areas. With the popularity of work from home rising, its not crazy to think a large amount of people will start living in secluded places. Anyway, packing like a sardine in a city is gross and for gross people. If you can't be happy alone in nature, don't deserve to be happy. Urbanites are the lowest species of human, with the highest crime rate and most drug use and homelessness. They are all depressed, neurotic freaks because they live in an environment where you xan't even see the stars in the night sky where there is constant noises every second of the day. No wonder these people all need anti depressants and anti anxiety medication.