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Isn’t it a good thing that we’re stopping mentally ill kids from shooting up stuff before it happens? (and no, I’m not saying autism automatically means mental

Isn’t it a good thing that we’re stopping mentally ill kids from shooting up stuff before it happens? (and no, I’m not saying autism automatically means mental illness or danger to society, so go ahead and save that outrage for someone else)

zbsksvsmd 2y ago
if you stop something before it happens, no crime has been committed.
- hk__2 2y ago
  > if you stop something before it happens, no crime has been committed. Attempting to kill people is a crime in most jurisdictions, even if someone stops you before you actually do it.
- kube-system 2y ago
  Planning crimes, is in itself, often criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchoate_offense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchoate_offense
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  Classic “engineers pretend to understand the law” logic.
wizzwizz4 2y ago
Then what are you saying? It's clearly not commentary on the article. > As the court order overturning the criminal charges noted, officers deliberately steered Carrick away from anything that would have helped him and towards actions that would have seen the rest of his life destroyed. > The community would not expect law enforcement officers to encourage a 13-14 year old child towards racial hatred, distrust of police and violent extremism, encouraging the child’s fixation on ISIS,” magistrate Lesley Fleming said in the decision.
- jrussino 2y ago
  > officers deliberately steered Carrick away from anything that would have helped him and towards actions that would have seen the rest of his life destroyed. Now I'm imagining an alternative world where we have a well-funded and dedicated department full of agents who identify people on a "destructive path" like this and covertly steer them toward mental health support, positive influences, and productive hobbies... I'm sure that would end up being dystopian too. But it would be way better than what we have now. (Although kudos to the folks who thwarted the planned attack on a Taylor Swift concert recently; clearly not all of the work in this space is bullshit).
krunck 2y ago
Yes, especially when federal agents are the ones to encourage and feed that sort of behaviour in the kid. Then lets stop the feds from committing child abuse.
pdntspa 2y ago
And how many of those mentally ill kids are going to actually shoot anything up? Very, very, very few, if any at all. So what about everyone else? Just, like, what... fuck em? Hurray we saved people from something we aren't even sure exists?? That's just fucked up, man.
- NotYourLawyer 2y ago
  When a kid shots up a school: why didn’t the parents say anything?? When the parents say something: he’s just a confused kid, he probably wasn’t going to kill anyone!
  - pdntspa 2y ago
    You're advocating for locking up anyone that fits a certain profile. The vast majority who are going to be innocent. We've been down this road, it does not end well for anyone.
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      The formula is to find people who most likely will go through their lives without doing that particular illegal, then engineer circumstances with feds and CIs that don't entrap them but rather give them a perfect opportunity they probably wouldn't otherwise have. Of course then they do it, as seen in a few of the convicted whitmer conspirists. It's often the ideological equivalent of sending a bunch of skanks to blue ball a bunch of sailors fresh off a 90 day sail after leading them to a lust cliff. Yes it's rape if they act, and it's not entrapment, but we all know there's something at play we wouldn't want the government doing.
swarnie 2y ago
Always think of your audience before commenting.
- exe34 2y ago
  no, sometimes it's best to let them dispense their own rope!
mcphage 2y ago
“Stopping” implies that otherwise, he would have… and I don’t think that’s something that could at all be assumed. And hell, even if he would have—this wasn’t a particularly good way to stop it. For him, his family, or the state.

zbsksvsmd 2y ago

if you stop something before it happens, no crime has been committed.

hk__2 2y ago
> if you stop something before it happens, no crime has been committed. Attempting to kill people is a crime in most jurisdictions, even if someone stops you before you actually do it.
kube-system 2y ago
Planning crimes, is in itself, often criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchoate_offense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchoate_offense
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
Classic “engineers pretend to understand the law” logic.

wizzwizz4 2y ago

Then what are you saying? It's clearly not commentary on the article. > As the court order overturning the criminal charges noted, officers deliberately steered Carrick away from anything that would have helped him and towards actions that would have seen the rest of his life destroyed. > The community would not expect law enforcement officers to encourage a 13-14 year old child towards racial hatred, distrust of police and violent extremism, encouraging the child’s fixation on ISIS,” magistrate Lesley Fleming said in the decision.

jrussino 2y ago
> officers deliberately steered Carrick away from anything that would have helped him and towards actions that would have seen the rest of his life destroyed. Now I'm imagining an alternative world where we have a well-funded and dedicated department full of agents who identify people on a "destructive path" like this and covertly steer them toward mental health support, positive influences, and productive hobbies... I'm sure that would end up being dystopian too. But it would be way better than what we have now. (Although kudos to the folks who thwarted the planned attack on a Taylor Swift concert recently; clearly not all of the work in this space is bullshit).

krunck 2y ago

Yes, especially when federal agents are the ones to encourage and feed that sort of behaviour in the kid. Then lets stop the feds from committing child abuse.

pdntspa 2y ago

And how many of those mentally ill kids are going to actually shoot anything up? Very, very, very few, if any at all. So what about everyone else? Just, like, what... fuck em? Hurray we saved people from something we aren't even sure exists?? That's just fucked up, man.

NotYourLawyer 2y ago
When a kid shots up a school: why didn’t the parents say anything?? When the parents say something: he’s just a confused kid, he probably wasn’t going to kill anyone!
- pdntspa 2y ago
  You're advocating for locking up anyone that fits a certain profile. The vast majority who are going to be innocent. We've been down this road, it does not end well for anyone.
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    The formula is to find people who most likely will go through their lives without doing that particular illegal, then engineer circumstances with feds and CIs that don't entrap them but rather give them a perfect opportunity they probably wouldn't otherwise have. Of course then they do it, as seen in a few of the convicted whitmer conspirists. It's often the ideological equivalent of sending a bunch of skanks to blue ball a bunch of sailors fresh off a 90 day sail after leading them to a lust cliff. Yes it's rape if they act, and it's not entrapment, but we all know there's something at play we wouldn't want the government doing.

swarnie 2y ago

Always think of your audience before commenting.

exe34 2y ago
no, sometimes it's best to let them dispense their own rope!

mcphage 2y ago

“Stopping” implies that otherwise, he would have… and I don’t think that’s something that could at all be assumed. And hell, even if he would have—this wasn’t a particularly good way to stop it. For him, his family, or the state.