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Excel, Adobe suite, Cinema 4D, and Ableton Live/Max don't run on Linux, just for the short list of applications I wouldn't want to give up. So presumably you me

Excel, Adobe suite, Cinema 4D, and Ableton Live/Max don't run on Linux, just for the short list of applications I wouldn't want to give up. So presumably you mean Windows? But then you lose AppleScript, Unix-by-default, and global Emacs bindings. Doesn't seem like a great trade off to me, so I'm curious what exactly you'd suggest here?

taylodl 2y ago
They have nothing to suggest because they have no clue how actual users that aren't like themselves use Apple products. You have ably demonstrated this fact.
- alt227 2y ago
  Dont assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.
alt227 2y ago
WSL
- robenkleene 2y ago
  Curious if you'd elaborate this statement, e.g., WSL is definitely a potential solution to one of the items I brought up, but given what I've stated about the advantages of macOS, would you actually go as far as to say it's a better or comparable experience on Windows? I'd love to hear your argument if so.
  - alt227 2y ago
    > would you actually go as far as to say it's a better or comparable experience on Windows? This is obviously a subjective debate now, its all personal opinion. I would love to have that debate calmly and intelligently, but I feel here is not the place. Maybe we will meet in another place and time and be able to figure out what the other likes and prefers in their OS choice :)
    - robenkleene 2y ago
      Haha, fair enough, although I do think there is still some interesting objective points, e.g., the NVIDIA/CUDA support is a clear advantage for Windows today, and on the flipside macOS is still the place where software happens first (e.g., Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketch, Lightroom all were launched first for Mac).
      - alt227 2y ago
        I wasnt aware that Excel was first written for Mac. Thanks for teaching me something today :)
        robenkleene 2y ago
        PowerPoint too!
      - fluoridation 2y ago
        >on the flipside macOS is still the place where software happens first (e.g., Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketch, Lightroom all were launched first for Mac). Don't you think you're generalizing from a set of cherry-picked examples? How would you even approach trying to demonstrate this?
        robenkleene 2y ago
        They're not cherry-picked they're just the most important software historically to my personal, subjective value system.
Vampiero 2y ago
Yes, because all the people out there buying iPhones do so for the... Emacs keybindings. Obviously. That's why the brand is so popular.
- robenkleene 2y ago
  It's amazing breadth to make a fantastic product for both the most and least technically minded. If you wanted to to summarize the reason for their ferocious brand loyalty I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better summary then that.

taylodl 2y ago

They have nothing to suggest because they have no clue how actual users that aren't like themselves use Apple products. You have ably demonstrated this fact.

alt227 2y ago
Dont assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.

alt227 2y ago

WSL

robenkleene 2y ago
Curious if you'd elaborate this statement, e.g., WSL is definitely a potential solution to one of the items I brought up, but given what I've stated about the advantages of macOS, would you actually go as far as to say it's a better or comparable experience on Windows? I'd love to hear your argument if so.
- alt227 2y ago
  > would you actually go as far as to say it's a better or comparable experience on Windows? This is obviously a subjective debate now, its all personal opinion. I would love to have that debate calmly and intelligently, but I feel here is not the place. Maybe we will meet in another place and time and be able to figure out what the other likes and prefers in their OS choice :)
  - robenkleene 2y ago
    Haha, fair enough, although I do think there is still some interesting objective points, e.g., the NVIDIA/CUDA support is a clear advantage for Windows today, and on the flipside macOS is still the place where software happens first (e.g., Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketch, Lightroom all were launched first for Mac).
    - alt227 2y ago
      I wasnt aware that Excel was first written for Mac. Thanks for teaching me something today :)
      - robenkleene 2y ago
        PowerPoint too!
    - fluoridation 2y ago
      >on the flipside macOS is still the place where software happens first (e.g., Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketch, Lightroom all were launched first for Mac). Don't you think you're generalizing from a set of cherry-picked examples? How would you even approach trying to demonstrate this?
      - robenkleene 2y ago
        They're not cherry-picked they're just the most important software historically to my personal, subjective value system.

Vampiero 2y ago

Yes, because all the people out there buying iPhones do so for the... Emacs keybindings. Obviously. That's why the brand is so popular.

robenkleene 2y ago
It's amazing breadth to make a fantastic product for both the most and least technically minded. If you wanted to to summarize the reason for their ferocious brand loyalty I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better summary then that.