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Yeah, i don't want to invest in anything google, i'm scared it will be uselss in 6mo. That's a big problem, a "support guarantee" could really help things. Go

by Iulioh 2y ago

Yeah, i don't want to invest in anything google, i'm scared it will be uselss in 6mo. That's a big problem, a "support guarantee" could really help things. Google is now a AD platform with a search engine to sell stuff. I hoped a little bit in Fuchsia, it was the last one for me.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>Google is now a AD platform with a search engine to sell stuff. NOW?! They were that for the past 20 years mate.
- Iulioh 2y ago
  Yeah but the search engine provided a service good enough that you could overlook that I noticed today that they get rid of filters in the "products/shopping" tab FFS
- cynicalsecurity 2y ago
  Their search isn't even so great any more. They tend to forcefully switch the user input to some generic terms. More than often duckduckgo produces better results for me. I started feeling comfortable using duckduckgo instead of google.
  - dartos 2y ago
    I’m not sure you understand how ingrained and far reaching Google ad manager is. Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player on the internet by leaps and bounds.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      Facebook would be bigger.
      - dartos 2y ago
        Not. Even. Close.
        Jensson 2y ago
        You are just ignorant, Google search is 57% of their total revenue, remaining advertisement is just 19%, people really overestimate how much Google ad network is worth when its just 9.2% of their revenue and YouTube is just 10%. In fact if you remove search Google makes more money from selling subscriptions and services than they do from ads, so they would no longer be an ad company! https://www.voronoiapp.com/business/Breaking-down-Googles-Q1-2024-revenue-1410 https://www.voronoiapp.com/business/Breaking-down-Googles-Q1... Facebook makes much more money than 19% of Google. Edit: And I wonder why I got downvoted for being right, many here just blindly believe that Google gets their money from ads on third party sites when most of it comes from search. But I guess your second post is right, it isn't close, Facebook would be much bigger.
        Iulioh 2y ago
        Exactly how does Google makes money through search if not...advertising?
        Jensson 2y ago
        Dartos said they were bigger without search: > Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player
        dartos 2y ago
        I said they’d still be the biggest player in the advertising space. Nothing about their worth or whatever. Google ad manager is the cornerstone of pretty much all internet advertising. Even if you don’t buy ads from Google directly, somewhere in your ad pipeline is google ad manager.
        2y ago
superidiot1932 2y ago
Fuchsia isn't dead. Yet.
- meindnoch 2y ago
  Fuchsia is a talent retention project. Basically daycare for kernel engineers, to prevent them from leaving Google.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    But what do Google shareholders get out of this?
    - throwaway173738 2y ago
      They get to keep those engineers out of the hands of competitors.
- intexpress 2y ago
  It is dead
raminf 2y ago
Firebase (especially Cloud Messaging) is in use by a lot of companies. Killing that off will have a huge blast radius.
- etc-hosts 2y ago
  Firebase is going away?
tgma 2y ago
Fuchsia is part of the problem not the solution. It was the retirement home to keep a bunch of smart people busy who didn't have any rush to ship anything real for as long as possible. Architecture astronaut porn to the max. On the other hand there's zero desire at Google to try and build the best phone. They have conceded that to Apple a long time ago. No desire to be number one in Cloud. They are fighting for number 3 spot. They are the Xerox of AI with a full stack solution. If they had the drive they would be HYPING THE SHIT out of TPU and making it the best solution to run all the real workloads people have. Guess what. On average a Googler even still today with low bar to entry is probably 10 IQ points higher than average Amazon or Microsoft or Apple. But no; no drive.
- kmerroll 2y ago
  I hadn't heard the term "architecture astronaut porn" before. Seems highly accurate in this context and wondered if you could point me to other resources on this term?
  - tgma 2y ago
    "Architecture Astronaut" is an old term IIRC coined by Joel Spolsky https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architecture-astronauts-scare-you/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architect... porn is added by yours truly.

by Iulioh 2y ago

Rinzler89 2y ago

>Google is now a AD platform with a search engine to sell stuff. NOW?! They were that for the past 20 years mate.

Iulioh 2y ago
Yeah but the search engine provided a service good enough that you could overlook that I noticed today that they get rid of filters in the "products/shopping" tab FFS
cynicalsecurity 2y ago
Their search isn't even so great any more. They tend to forcefully switch the user input to some generic terms. More than often duckduckgo produces better results for me. I started feeling comfortable using duckduckgo instead of google.
- dartos 2y ago
  I’m not sure you understand how ingrained and far reaching Google ad manager is. Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player on the internet by leaps and bounds.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    Facebook would be bigger.
    - dartos 2y ago
      Not. Even. Close.
      - Jensson 2y ago
        You are just ignorant, Google search is 57% of their total revenue, remaining advertisement is just 19%, people really overestimate how much Google ad network is worth when its just 9.2% of their revenue and YouTube is just 10%. In fact if you remove search Google makes more money from selling subscriptions and services than they do from ads, so they would no longer be an ad company! https://www.voronoiapp.com/business/Breaking-down-Googles-Q1-2024-revenue-1410 https://www.voronoiapp.com/business/Breaking-down-Googles-Q1... Facebook makes much more money than 19% of Google. Edit: And I wonder why I got downvoted for being right, many here just blindly believe that Google gets their money from ads on third party sites when most of it comes from search. But I guess your second post is right, it isn't close, Facebook would be much bigger.
        Iulioh 2y ago
        Exactly how does Google makes money through search if not...advertising?
        Jensson 2y ago
        Dartos said they were bigger without search: > Their search could die and they’d still be the biggest advertising player
        dartos 2y ago
        I said they’d still be the biggest player in the advertising space. Nothing about their worth or whatever. Google ad manager is the cornerstone of pretty much all internet advertising. Even if you don’t buy ads from Google directly, somewhere in your ad pipeline is google ad manager.
        2y ago

superidiot1932 2y ago

Fuchsia isn't dead. Yet.

meindnoch 2y ago
Fuchsia is a talent retention project. Basically daycare for kernel engineers, to prevent them from leaving Google.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  But what do Google shareholders get out of this?
  - throwaway173738 2y ago
    They get to keep those engineers out of the hands of competitors.
intexpress 2y ago
It is dead

raminf 2y ago

Firebase (especially Cloud Messaging) is in use by a lot of companies. Killing that off will have a huge blast radius.

etc-hosts 2y ago
Firebase is going away?

tgma 2y ago

Fuchsia is part of the problem not the solution. It was the retirement home to keep a bunch of smart people busy who didn't have any rush to ship anything real for as long as possible. Architecture astronaut porn to the max. On the other hand there's zero desire at Google to try and build the best phone. They have conceded that to Apple a long time ago. No desire to be number one in Cloud. They are fighting for number 3 spot. They are the Xerox of AI with a full stack solution. If they had the drive they would be HYPING THE SHIT out of TPU and making it the best solution to run all the real workloads people have. Guess what. On average a Googler even still today with low bar to entry is probably 10 IQ points higher than average Amazon or Microsoft or Apple. But no; no drive.

kmerroll 2y ago
I hadn't heard the term "architecture astronaut porn" before. Seems highly accurate in this context and wondered if you could point me to other resources on this term?
- tgma 2y ago
  "Architecture Astronaut" is an old term IIRC coined by Joel Spolsky https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architecture-astronauts-scare-you/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architect... porn is added by yours truly.