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what a shallow ad-hominem. during his tenure he was extremely well liked and growth was booming. why would his spousal relationships make him a bad leader? do y

what a shallow ad-hominem. during his tenure he was extremely well liked and growth was booming. why would his spousal relationships make him a bad leader? do you look to your managers for moral leadership?

Blot2882 2y ago
> extremely well liked By who? By what metric? That is a much shallower claim. I would wager the guy blaming their middling AI development on "work life balance" was not well liked.
- borski 2y ago
  Even if that’s true, it misses the entire point of the parent comment. His marital issues, infidelity, that one time he made out under a bridge when he was 14… none of it matters to this discussion as anything other than tabloid-fodder.
  - Blot2882 2y ago
    > Even if that’s true If it's true? It's a quote from the talk itself. > it misses the entire point of the parent comment Not really. I would say cheating on your wife with your PR executive is extremely bad for morale and an all around leadership failing. Just because sex is involved doesn't make it tabloid fodder. I can't just punch a coworker and call it "my personal life." More importantly, you're ignoring the part of the comment that said he was extremely well liked, which was the baseless claim I responded to. You can say that's not the point of the comment, but that's just because acknowledging it weakens the argument.
    - borski 2y ago
      > If it's true? It's a quote from the talk itself. Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear - my "even if that's true" was referring to the assertion that Schmidt wasn't well-liked, not your quote.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    Behaving like a sexual predator at work while complaining that workers don't wanna be in the office. Maybe just maybe things could be related?
    - borski 2y ago
      Dating a coworker does not necessarily imply you are “behaving like a sexual predator.” Many people met their partners at work; some even worked for them. Sometimes you meet people in places, and sometimes that place is work. That doesn’t mean you’re walking around hitting on everything that moves. Yes, he was married. Yes, maybe a serial cheater. Or an awful marriage. Or a great one. I have no idea. But I don’t care?
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        > Dating a coworker does not necessarily imply you are “behaving like a sexual predator.” Dating a coworker (or many) when you are the boss and married is exactly what a sexual predator do. Being a predator doesn't mean he "predate" on every walking thing.
        borski 2y ago
        Dating a coworker is a thing a lot of people do. Sometimes it is done by sexual predators who are preying on others. That is also true outside work. Dating someone at work doesn’t automatically make you a sexual predator. That’s an absurd statement. Plenty of relationships start that way, and sometimes one of them is a boss, and companies have processes for these situations because they happen and the majority of situations are not due to predation.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        > Dating someone at work doesn’t automatically make you a sexual predator. Are you going to pretend we are not talking about the CEO here? CEOs dating subordinates at work are sexual predators, yes.
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yellow_lead 2y ago
How's it shallow? He cheated on the mother of his kids. Not complaining about him stealing a candy bar here. > why would his spousal relationships make him a bad leader? How can you trust someone that can't even keep their vows to their wife?
- jajko 2y ago
  Unless he is schizophrenic, its still the same mind that keeps continuously lying to most important persons in his life and keeps pretending nothing is happening. This sort of hard character flaw/weakness never goes alone, there are more if you care/can take a deeper look. If you are OK with serious liars as leaders, thats fine for you I guess. Definitely not OK for me. Albeit for purely work performance, most of us can turn off our moral radar temporarily, mortgages ain't gonna pay for themselves with just good honest heart. But that's not a definition of leader, quite far away from that actually.
  - yellow_lead 2y ago
    Better said than my own comment!
- drivebyhooting 2y ago
  You don’t know anything about his relationships. You’re making assumptions to create a caricature of sin. I would not be so eager to cast the first stone.

Blot2882 2y ago

> extremely well liked By who? By what metric? That is a much shallower claim. I would wager the guy blaming their middling AI development on "work life balance" was not well liked.

borski 2y ago
Even if that’s true, it misses the entire point of the parent comment. His marital issues, infidelity, that one time he made out under a bridge when he was 14… none of it matters to this discussion as anything other than tabloid-fodder.
- Blot2882 2y ago
  > Even if that’s true If it's true? It's a quote from the talk itself. > it misses the entire point of the parent comment Not really. I would say cheating on your wife with your PR executive is extremely bad for morale and an all around leadership failing. Just because sex is involved doesn't make it tabloid fodder. I can't just punch a coworker and call it "my personal life." More importantly, you're ignoring the part of the comment that said he was extremely well liked, which was the baseless claim I responded to. You can say that's not the point of the comment, but that's just because acknowledging it weakens the argument.
  - borski 2y ago
    > If it's true? It's a quote from the talk itself. Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear - my "even if that's true" was referring to the assertion that Schmidt wasn't well-liked, not your quote.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  Behaving like a sexual predator at work while complaining that workers don't wanna be in the office. Maybe just maybe things could be related?
  - borski 2y ago
    Dating a coworker does not necessarily imply you are “behaving like a sexual predator.” Many people met their partners at work; some even worked for them. Sometimes you meet people in places, and sometimes that place is work. That doesn’t mean you’re walking around hitting on everything that moves. Yes, he was married. Yes, maybe a serial cheater. Or an awful marriage. Or a great one. I have no idea. But I don’t care?
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      > Dating a coworker does not necessarily imply you are “behaving like a sexual predator.” Dating a coworker (or many) when you are the boss and married is exactly what a sexual predator do. Being a predator doesn't mean he "predate" on every walking thing.
      - borski 2y ago
        Dating a coworker is a thing a lot of people do. Sometimes it is done by sexual predators who are preying on others. That is also true outside work. Dating someone at work doesn’t automatically make you a sexual predator. That’s an absurd statement. Plenty of relationships start that way, and sometimes one of them is a boss, and companies have processes for these situations because they happen and the majority of situations are not due to predation.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        > Dating someone at work doesn’t automatically make you a sexual predator. Are you going to pretend we are not talking about the CEO here? CEOs dating subordinates at work are sexual predators, yes.

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yellow_lead 2y ago

How's it shallow? He cheated on the mother of his kids. Not complaining about him stealing a candy bar here. > why would his spousal relationships make him a bad leader? How can you trust someone that can't even keep their vows to their wife?

jajko 2y ago
Unless he is schizophrenic, its still the same mind that keeps continuously lying to most important persons in his life and keeps pretending nothing is happening. This sort of hard character flaw/weakness never goes alone, there are more if you care/can take a deeper look. If you are OK with serious liars as leaders, thats fine for you I guess. Definitely not OK for me. Albeit for purely work performance, most of us can turn off our moral radar temporarily, mortgages ain't gonna pay for themselves with just good honest heart. But that's not a definition of leader, quite far away from that actually.
- yellow_lead 2y ago
  Better said than my own comment!
drivebyhooting 2y ago
You don’t know anything about his relationships. You’re making assumptions to create a caricature of sin. I would not be so eager to cast the first stone.