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What is more popular than the Apache Foundation? I thought Apache was top... Is there a cooler/better Apache? If so, please let me know. And when was Apache mo

What is more popular than the Apache Foundation? I thought Apache was top... Is there a cooler/better Apache? If so, please let me know. And when was Apache more popular? I thought it was the uncool place where stuff was written in Java, that became popular because people's conception of Java (and the language/ecosystem itself) changed.

mcpherrinm 2y ago
I think CNCF is home to most of the big projects I’ve been contributing to or using lately.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  CNCF is a project of the Linux Foundation - which has become absolutely massive: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects
- timcobb 2y ago
  Ah yes, thank you! But would you say they more about infra/platform while Apache is more about application?
immibis 2y ago
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- worik 2y ago
  > Unfortunately the Apache Foundation structure has some (an unspecified number greater than zero) "kill all the Muslims now!" Yuk. It is a trap to condem the foundation because of some people who are nasty outside the foundation If they were enabled to stand in the way of Mahdi Islam, or their mates participating then there would be a problem We have a problem in tech with naive fascists and fascist enablers. We must deal with it, but condemning the person, not the behavior, is not the way Mahdi Islam is made up
  - immibis 2y ago
    I'm sorry but I cannot trust an organisation headed by people who want to exterminate Muslims. If you feel differently, that's on you, and I urge you to reconsider your feelings. At first the behaviour should be condemned. If the person refuses to change the behaviour, the person is now at fault for choosing the behaviour which they know to be condemned.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >We have a problem in tech with naive fascists and fascist enablers. No we don't.
    - immibis 2y ago
      We have a problem with "he may be a really shitty person but we ignore that because he does the work". In some cases where that person does a lot of work, it may be unavoidable. In other cases where the person does only a small amount of work, it's a mistake not to push back on their bad beliefs. A similar but opposite problem is pushing back too much on things that don't matter. E.g. a core python developer and inventor of Timsort just got a 3 month suspension for liking a comedy skit that used the word "slut", and for thinking that it's possible to discriminate against white people.
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        >We have a problem with "he may be a really shitty person but we ignore that because he does the work". Social human endeavours where different people of different backgrounds come together to work towards a common goal universally suffer from this. This is in no way specific to software development communities. So I disagree, it's not a problem specific to the aforementioned domain. >In other cases where the person does only a small amount of work, it's a mistake not to push back on their bad beliefs. Therein lies the issue: no one person has a say on what is considered a "bad belief." This is exceedingly difficult when you work with persons whom are not from or steeped in west coast SV culture. Europeans do not have the same sensibilities as someone from San Francisco. >E.g. a core python developer and inventor of Timsort just got a 3 month suspension for liking a comedy skit that used the word "slut", and for thinking that it's possible to discriminate against white people. Just read about this. Incomprehensible.
Someone 2y ago
Apache is both popular and “the place where projects go to die”. They have many, many projects that see limited development activity and aren’t well-known (how many projects in https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?name https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?name do you even vaguely know of what they’re about?) I also think the popularity of the Apache license is part of what makes Apache popular. > I thought it was the uncool place where stuff was written in Java They have lots of projects running on the JVM, but “written in Java” isn’t a requirement, nor is “running on the JVM”. See https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?language https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?language
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  EDIT: wrote something stupid here before my morning coffee
  - pquerna 2y ago
    This is an Eclipse foundation project, not an Apache Software Foundation (ASF) project? it's all volunteers/open source, but this isn't an ASF project.
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      I'm sorry, I hadn't finished my coffee yet. I'm gonna go embarrasingly delete this thread tail between my legs...

mcpherrinm 2y ago

I think CNCF is home to most of the big projects I’ve been contributing to or using lately.

mikeyouse 2y ago
CNCF is a project of the Linux Foundation - which has become absolutely massive: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects
timcobb 2y ago
Ah yes, thank you! But would you say they more about infra/platform while Apache is more about application?

immibis 2y ago

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worik 2y ago
> Unfortunately the Apache Foundation structure has some (an unspecified number greater than zero) "kill all the Muslims now!" Yuk. It is a trap to condem the foundation because of some people who are nasty outside the foundation If they were enabled to stand in the way of Mahdi Islam, or their mates participating then there would be a problem We have a problem in tech with naive fascists and fascist enablers. We must deal with it, but condemning the person, not the behavior, is not the way Mahdi Islam is made up
- immibis 2y ago
  I'm sorry but I cannot trust an organisation headed by people who want to exterminate Muslims. If you feel differently, that's on you, and I urge you to reconsider your feelings. At first the behaviour should be condemned. If the person refuses to change the behaviour, the person is now at fault for choosing the behaviour which they know to be condemned.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >We have a problem in tech with naive fascists and fascist enablers. No we don't.
  - immibis 2y ago
    We have a problem with "he may be a really shitty person but we ignore that because he does the work". In some cases where that person does a lot of work, it may be unavoidable. In other cases where the person does only a small amount of work, it's a mistake not to push back on their bad beliefs. A similar but opposite problem is pushing back too much on things that don't matter. E.g. a core python developer and inventor of Timsort just got a 3 month suspension for liking a comedy skit that used the word "slut", and for thinking that it's possible to discriminate against white people.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      >We have a problem with "he may be a really shitty person but we ignore that because he does the work". Social human endeavours where different people of different backgrounds come together to work towards a common goal universally suffer from this. This is in no way specific to software development communities. So I disagree, it's not a problem specific to the aforementioned domain. >In other cases where the person does only a small amount of work, it's a mistake not to push back on their bad beliefs. Therein lies the issue: no one person has a say on what is considered a "bad belief." This is exceedingly difficult when you work with persons whom are not from or steeped in west coast SV culture. Europeans do not have the same sensibilities as someone from San Francisco. >E.g. a core python developer and inventor of Timsort just got a 3 month suspension for liking a comedy skit that used the word "slut", and for thinking that it's possible to discriminate against white people. Just read about this. Incomprehensible.

Someone 2y ago

Apache is both popular and “the place where projects go to die”. They have many, many projects that see limited development activity and aren’t well-known (how many projects in https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?name https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?name do you even vaguely know of what they’re about?) I also think the popularity of the Apache license is part of what makes Apache popular. > I thought it was the uncool place where stuff was written in Java They have lots of projects running on the JVM, but “written in Java” isn’t a requirement, nor is “running on the JVM”. See https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?language https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?language

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
EDIT: wrote something stupid here before my morning coffee
- pquerna 2y ago
  This is an Eclipse foundation project, not an Apache Software Foundation (ASF) project? it's all volunteers/open source, but this isn't an ASF project.
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    I'm sorry, I hadn't finished my coffee yet. I'm gonna go embarrasingly delete this thread tail between my legs...