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Not only are directors and above immune to the RTO directives in most companies, they are also immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies. And for
by darth_avocado 2y ago
Not only are directors and above immune to the RTO directives in most companies, they are also immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies. And for the few times they do require to go to the office, they can expense the entire trip, including airfare, dinners, hotels and more. The class asymmetry is ridiculous, but unfortunately most workers don’t know this fact.
Edit: In case it wasn’t clear, this is not just about CEOs and “executives”. A director level can sometimes be just “manager of managers”. I’m talking about upper middle management here.
- hnthrowaway0315 2y agoNo, they know. They can't do anything about it under the current legal framework, though.
- zeroonetwothree 2y agoI don’t see why you should be able to do anything about this legally as an employee. As a shareholder you have more of a claim.
- soulofmischief 2y agoAn ethically aligned company goes to reasonable lengths to allow employees to become shareholders.
- kelnos 2y agoNever at a level that would influence company direction, though, even if all the employees banded together. Which just sounds like a union, anyway. So why not just unionize instead...
- intended 2y agoThis implies that employee and owner goals can’t ever align.
- com 2y agoIt sounds just like a co-op or an employee-owned business. Now, I love me a good union - and there’s something to be said about a healthy tension between management and labour in terms of keeping management a bit more honest, just like management and capital - but in smaller orgs, a co-op will probably do the job.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoEthically they’d return all profits to all employees regardless of ownership instead of leaching off the value of their labor
- Nasrudith 2y agoThat isn't ethical, that is a magical fairy realm where everyone else has 0% profit margins and you get 100% of the profit.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoIt’s only a fairy realm because the capitalists have won. There is no reason the world couldn’t work like this beyond human nature being what it is
- plorg 2y agoLegally, no. Ethically, probably. Socially, yes. A group of employees who feel they are being exploited by an inequitable treatment of their their management would have a lot more options than take your pittance or leave.
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- BartjeD 2y agoIn the Netherlands there is work from home legislation. Legally requiring it to be allowed, where possible and reasonable. The reasoning is that it reduces traffic and reduces stress. This existed since 2000 ish. It has expanded since covid. I now only go to the office once every two weeks. Used to be two times a week.
- acdha 2y agoIt’s been really interesting how quickly we’ve forgotten how much air quality and greenhouse emissions slowed during the pandemic. If you’re looking for a quick climate change mitigation it’s hard to beat not requiring people to commute when the job doesn’t require it.
- eikenberry 2y agoThere is a very easy way to do something about it, don't work for those companies.
- monero-xmr 2y agoExecutives work insane hours. The jobs are there if you want to gun for them. Yes there are lazy executives, but successful companies focused on shareholder value tend to weed them out.
- ceejayoz 2y ago> Executives work insane hours. Often quite a bit less than it looks on-paper when you remove the "working lunch" and "client dinner" and "meeting (at the country club)" and "reading emails while lounging on the private jet" bits.
- listenallyall 2y agoHypothetically, if all the CEO did was, once a quarter, take a private jet to meet a potential client in person for lunch - and just one of those 4 meetings actually landed a customer - but a $1 billion revenue customer - is that a problem for you? CEOs shouldn't be measured by hours clocked in, like a factory worker.
- brianleb 2y agoYou're absolutely right. CEOs (and other execs) need measurable workload, just like the rest of their staff. If you're not measuring it, is the CEO landing deals, or are they just playing golf with other members of the managerial class? The inquiring mind wants to know.
- listenallyall 2y agoGet over it. Until you earn yourself a seat on the board, your inquiring mind will likely remain inquiring. Not sure why you expect that the CEO needs to justify his/her schedule to rank-and-file employees.
- saagarjha 2y agoMost of the people on this site are not measured like that either; they're salaried employees. Nobody here is falsely claiming they work insane hours when they're spending all their time on recreation though.
- hadlock 2y agoEverybody knows. We all have the same Internet as you
- hammock 2y agoFor now.
- darth_avocado 2y agoYou’d be surprised how many people don’t, despite having the same Internet as me.
- photonthug 2y ago> immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies The next version of the equal-pay-for-equal-work fight is going to be pretty interesting, and will probably start to boil over sometime in the next 5-10 years. More telecommuting is going to be generally unstoppable despite a few fits and starts, but since NYC and SF can't afford to just get completely hollowed out in the space of a few years, they need Kansas City to help out with the rent. And it will work too, since some places are more politically important than others. But it won't work forever.
- listenallyall 2y agoWhile I agree that it can be annoying to see C-levels jetting around the globe while you're sitting in front of the same computer every day, likely feeling underpaid - what is the "asymmetry"? Or the remedy? Do you think that if they tighten their budget of perks, or reduce their compensation, some of that money will somehow flow to you? Because no, it won't.
- ElevenLathe 2y agoMostly I feel sorry for people whose lives are so empty that they feel the need to fly across the world to have a conversation about work. Stay home! Zoom works great and you can go for a walk with your spouse after you log off instead of drinking alone in a hotel bar.
- com 2y agoThe crucial conversations occur between human beings who have met or worked often enough to have created a social connection. Think about how absurd it is to argue that Zoom is enough to sustain family or intimate relationships over the long haul. Zoom isn’t enough. Having that walk with a potential client, that colleague or that supplier might well be.
- listenallyall 2y ago"Zoom works great" - not for cultivating real relationships (friends, business, family, etc) it doesn't
- ElevenLathe 2y agoHow is this an argument for leaving your family behind to go work in an identical office across the country?
- listenallyall 2y agoif you truly believe Zoom works great then you should be perfectly happy Zoom calling your family from whatever workplace you choose to go visit
- heresie-dabord 2y ago> The class asymmetry is ridiculous, but unfortunately most workers don’t know this fact. Class asymmetry exists by design.