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One App Store per application, almost like if they would sell software straight from their website. What a horrible scenario.

lolinder 2y ago
Each with their own rules specially crafted to favor their own use cases, with no third party distributor to intervene on behalf of the consumer. You may approve of that change, but you can't deny it's a change for the worse for the majority of Apple users who don't care about the flexibility but were happy to have an app store whose interests were more or less aligned with their own.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  We already have third parties meant to intervene on behalf of the customers: the government. The FTC and consumer protection agencies are elected by people (even if indirectly). Apple does not act in the best interest of its customers. Not when those interests are in conflict with it’s own.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    > Not when those interests are in conflict with it’s own. Which they very rarely have been for the majority of Apple users. There's a very small contingent of Apple users who spend time on HN who feel differently, but for most Apple users the experience that Apple offers is far and away better than that of any other tech company precisely because Apple's interests align with their own so well. I'm just flummoxed why that small contingent of Apple users on HN gets behind the large companies' efforts to dismantle the ecosystem rather than just picking the other ecosystem that already offers the flexibility they want. It's inconsiderate of the majority of people who actually like what Apple is offering.
    - _aavaa_ 2y ago
      Apple interests do not align. They continue to allow blatantly predatory “games” which use the mechanics and terminology of gambling to take advantage of people. With one side of their mouth they talk about the evils of tracking and advertising and with the other they tell their investors about their growing ad platform. I am equally flummoxed why others defend the same clearly anti-competitive behaviour. Voting with our feet is no substitute for voting with our votes.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > the experience that Apple offers is far and away better than that of any other tech company Steam is a way better product than the appstore. Appstore is full of toxic games with gambling monetization and in app purchases, steam is full of games you buy upfront and dlc is clearly labeled with dollar signs in the app store instead of premium gems etc. I blame the apple appstore for creating that toxic ecosystem that made phonegames suck so hard. If there were alternatives things would be so much better, like you have in pc gaming. Steam launching game stores in the phones would be a massive win for everyone.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        > I blame the apple appstore for creating that toxic ecosystem that made phonegames suck so hard. If there were alternatives things would be so much better, like you have in pc gaming. Interesting. I blame the medium [1] and the size of the audience [2]. I guess we'll see who is right, but either way I'm unconvinced a better phone gaming experience is worth letting Meta create its own app store that allows privacy shenanigans that Apple has successfully banned. [1] Smartphones are attention-monopolizing devices by their very nature in a way that a tower PC just isn't. [2] The majority of games on a platform will appeal to the lowest common denominator, and since ~everyone has a smartphone the lowest common denominator is very low.
        _aavaa_ 2y ago
        > is worth letting Meta create its own app store that allows privacy shenanigans that Apple has successfully banned The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. If Meta is doing impinging on people's privacy we need to make it illegal, not let it be used by Apple as a selling feature for their anti-competitive practices.

lolinder 2y ago

Each with their own rules specially crafted to favor their own use cases, with no third party distributor to intervene on behalf of the consumer. You may approve of that change, but you can't deny it's a change for the worse for the majority of Apple users who don't care about the flexibility but were happy to have an app store whose interests were more or less aligned with their own.

_aavaa_ 2y ago
We already have third parties meant to intervene on behalf of the customers: the government. The FTC and consumer protection agencies are elected by people (even if indirectly). Apple does not act in the best interest of its customers. Not when those interests are in conflict with it’s own.
- lolinder 2y ago
  > Not when those interests are in conflict with it’s own. Which they very rarely have been for the majority of Apple users. There's a very small contingent of Apple users who spend time on HN who feel differently, but for most Apple users the experience that Apple offers is far and away better than that of any other tech company precisely because Apple's interests align with their own so well. I'm just flummoxed why that small contingent of Apple users on HN gets behind the large companies' efforts to dismantle the ecosystem rather than just picking the other ecosystem that already offers the flexibility they want. It's inconsiderate of the majority of people who actually like what Apple is offering.
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    Apple interests do not align. They continue to allow blatantly predatory “games” which use the mechanics and terminology of gambling to take advantage of people. With one side of their mouth they talk about the evils of tracking and advertising and with the other they tell their investors about their growing ad platform. I am equally flummoxed why others defend the same clearly anti-competitive behaviour. Voting with our feet is no substitute for voting with our votes.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > the experience that Apple offers is far and away better than that of any other tech company Steam is a way better product than the appstore. Appstore is full of toxic games with gambling monetization and in app purchases, steam is full of games you buy upfront and dlc is clearly labeled with dollar signs in the app store instead of premium gems etc. I blame the apple appstore for creating that toxic ecosystem that made phonegames suck so hard. If there were alternatives things would be so much better, like you have in pc gaming. Steam launching game stores in the phones would be a massive win for everyone.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      > I blame the apple appstore for creating that toxic ecosystem that made phonegames suck so hard. If there were alternatives things would be so much better, like you have in pc gaming. Interesting. I blame the medium [1] and the size of the audience [2]. I guess we'll see who is right, but either way I'm unconvinced a better phone gaming experience is worth letting Meta create its own app store that allows privacy shenanigans that Apple has successfully banned. [1] Smartphones are attention-monopolizing devices by their very nature in a way that a tower PC just isn't. [2] The majority of games on a platform will appeal to the lowest common denominator, and since ~everyone has a smartphone the lowest common denominator is very low.
      - _aavaa_ 2y ago
        > is worth letting Meta create its own app store that allows privacy shenanigans that Apple has successfully banned The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. If Meta is doing impinging on people's privacy we need to make it illegal, not let it be used by Apple as a selling feature for their anti-competitive practices.