> Do you propose we make it illegal to tip? Before services are rendered? Yes, I think I'd be ok with that. Really I'd like to see a groundswell of people ref

> Do you propose we make it illegal to tip? Before services are rendered? Yes, I think I'd be ok with that. Really I'd like to see a groundswell of people refusing to tip but that's the catch-22, stopping tips hurts the person without fixing the underlying issue (being underpaid/dependent on tips). How do you take away the crutch without knocking the person down? I don't have a good answer but tipping currently is out of control and something needs to change.