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Are there non drug methods which could restore or assist lymph pumping functions in the head-neck region? Should we all be doing some kind of rotation/lift/sque

by ggm 2y ago

Are there non drug methods which could restore or assist lymph pumping functions in the head-neck region? Should we all be doing some kind of rotation/lift/squeeze cycle on our cervical spine region?

OutOfHere 2y ago
Nafaik, but anything that gives you two extra hours of sleep should help. Also, intense exercise should over time help heal it in part. And as far as drug methods go, a 2-3 month course of memantine could be worth exploring for anyone who doesn't have to drive or operate machinery for the first month.
thordenmark 2y ago
Exercise, good food, and good sleep. Pretty much the universal panacea.
- thordenmark 2y ago
  Sounds easy, but difficult in practice. Especially for those of us chained to a desk all day.
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
  For disabled and elderly people, these aren't always possible.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    Appropriate exercise is all the more important for disabled and elderly people.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  Mild to moderate exercise won't fix it, but intense exercise, e.g. running or similar, carries hope. Good sleep will slow the damage, but after a certain age, e.g. 80, it may not work.
  - aussieguy1234 2y ago
    What about a hard workout with weights every day?
    - OutOfHere 2y ago
      I have tried it in this context, but no, I'm sorry. Only running and similar intense cardio exercises had an applicable effect for me. That's not to say that other exercises are useless; obviously they're not, but the other exercises didn't help this particular issue for me.
    - manmal 2y ago
      That might set you up for overtraining. If your ability to regenerate is good/fast enough, it might work. Measuring heart rate variability is a good indicator for when you’re ready for more exercise.
- hinkley 2y ago
  Cardio specifically, right?
  - halfcat 2y ago
    All of it is ultimately needed. Cardio, yes, but resistance training is also needed to maintain muscle mass, and maybe even more important as we age, bone density.
citruscomputing 2y ago
Jade roller/gua sha? Also look up "post ffs lymphatic massage" or similar. This helps me when my immune system is acting up. Not sure if it'd help with the CSF specifically, but this is how to move lymph out of the head.
manmal 2y ago
Lymphatic massage should help. It has helped my recurring ear issues tremendously, and is actually quick and easy to do. There are plenty of YouTube videos out there, some for the whole body and some for the face/neck area. Here is a short video for the back of the neck: https://bornfree.life/images/neck-lymphatic.mov https://bornfree.life/images/neck-lymphatic.mov
hinkley 2y ago
Probably tai chi or qigong as well. I’m convinced we are going to discover that “qi work” is moving lymph through the connective tissue (a phenomenon we only just discovered a decade ago). The proscriptions against doing these exercises or massage during an illness is my clue/circumstantial evidence and I hope it gets studied more.

by ggm 2y ago

Are there non drug methods which could restore or assist lymph pumping functions in the head-neck region? Should we all be doing some kind of rotation/lift/squeeze cycle on our cervical spine region?

OutOfHere 2y ago

Nafaik, but anything that gives you two extra hours of sleep should help. Also, intense exercise should over time help heal it in part. And as far as drug methods go, a 2-3 month course of memantine could be worth exploring for anyone who doesn't have to drive or operate machinery for the first month.

thordenmark 2y ago

Exercise, good food, and good sleep. Pretty much the universal panacea.

thordenmark 2y ago
Sounds easy, but difficult in practice. Especially for those of us chained to a desk all day.
hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
For disabled and elderly people, these aren't always possible.
- BobaFloutist 2y ago
  Appropriate exercise is all the more important for disabled and elderly people.
OutOfHere 2y ago
Mild to moderate exercise won't fix it, but intense exercise, e.g. running or similar, carries hope. Good sleep will slow the damage, but after a certain age, e.g. 80, it may not work.
- aussieguy1234 2y ago
  What about a hard workout with weights every day?
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    I have tried it in this context, but no, I'm sorry. Only running and similar intense cardio exercises had an applicable effect for me. That's not to say that other exercises are useless; obviously they're not, but the other exercises didn't help this particular issue for me.
  - manmal 2y ago
    That might set you up for overtraining. If your ability to regenerate is good/fast enough, it might work. Measuring heart rate variability is a good indicator for when you’re ready for more exercise.
hinkley 2y ago
Cardio specifically, right?
- halfcat 2y ago
  All of it is ultimately needed. Cardio, yes, but resistance training is also needed to maintain muscle mass, and maybe even more important as we age, bone density.

citruscomputing 2y ago

Jade roller/gua sha? Also look up "post ffs lymphatic massage" or similar. This helps me when my immune system is acting up. Not sure if it'd help with the CSF specifically, but this is how to move lymph out of the head.

manmal 2y ago

Lymphatic massage should help. It has helped my recurring ear issues tremendously, and is actually quick and easy to do. There are plenty of YouTube videos out there, some for the whole body and some for the face/neck area. Here is a short video for the back of the neck: https://bornfree.life/images/neck-lymphatic.mov https://bornfree.life/images/neck-lymphatic.mov

hinkley 2y ago

Probably tai chi or qigong as well. I’m convinced we are going to discover that “qi work” is moving lymph through the connective tissue (a phenomenon we only just discovered a decade ago). The proscriptions against doing these exercises or massage during an illness is my clue/circumstantial evidence and I hope it gets studied more.