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Here is but one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdKK06-7EE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdKK06-7EE or: https://apnews.com/article/germany-ukraine-russia-

by mc32 2y ago

Here is but one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdKK06-7EE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdKK06-7EE or: https://apnews.com/article/germany-ukraine-russia-gas-pipeline-attack-nordstream-d267ad7dcff560c9ecaebf4f213e5229 https://apnews.com/article/germany-ukraine-russia-gas-pipeli... But if you want to look around, you will see plenty, vast amounts of pundits and officials pointing fingers at Russia, if not directly accusing it. I'm sure, if we put a collage together of all the CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, etc., et., we'd see lots of guests putting forth the idea it was Russia, with very few objections, despite the obvious outrageousness of the idea. It's in the same class of stupidity that the US brought down the twin towers type conspiracy theory nonsense. Now, was it a couple of drunk guys; no, that's not likely but it's at least pointing in the actual direction, while adding a less than believable disclaimer.

reducesuffering 2y ago
Are you even reading the same article? Title: "Germany cautious" "The New York Times also reported Tuesday that U.S. officials reviewed intelligence that suggested a pro-Ukrainian group was behind the blasts." 'German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said he read the news reports “with great interest” but warned against drawing hasty conclusions.' '“It would not be the first time in the history of such events,” the German minister said. “As such, I’m refraining from drawing premature conclusions.”' '“The identity of the perpetrators and their motives are the subject of ongoing investigations,” it added. “At present, it is not possible to make any reliable statements on this, in particular on the question of state control.”' OP insinuated that western media was confidently blaming Russia. Almost nothing in the media or government officials was damning, it was speculation, no one really knew and that's what they reported. The article is AP and citing NYT. It's wildly tiresome to hear people rail against "mainstream media" because they reported on one government official saying "I think it might be Russia," but when they read Seymour Hersh's substack that puts 10,000 words of just completely made up bs, they're like "wow so good, mainstream news only lies"

by mc32 2y ago

reducesuffering 2y ago

Are you even reading the same article? Title: "Germany cautious" "The New York Times also reported Tuesday that U.S. officials reviewed intelligence that suggested a pro-Ukrainian group was behind the blasts." 'German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said he read the news reports “with great interest” but warned against drawing hasty conclusions.' '“It would not be the first time in the history of such events,” the German minister said. “As such, I’m refraining from drawing premature conclusions.”' '“The identity of the perpetrators and their motives are the subject of ongoing investigations,” it added. “At present, it is not possible to make any reliable statements on this, in particular on the question of state control.”' OP insinuated that western media was confidently blaming Russia. Almost nothing in the media or government officials was damning, it was speculation, no one really knew and that's what they reported. The article is AP and citing NYT. It's wildly tiresome to hear people rail against "mainstream media" because they reported on one government official saying "I think it might be Russia," but when they read Seymour Hersh's substack that puts 10,000 words of just completely made up bs, they're like "wow so good, mainstream news only lies"