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They have exhausted all other options and direct action is all that remains. They aren't misguided, you are.
by bjourne 2y ago
They have exhausted all other options and direct action is all that remains. They aren't misguided, you are.
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- kraftman 2y agoHave they exhausted all other options? They've attacked public spaces, events, and infrastructure, targetted artwork and ancient monuments, but have they actually targetted the causes they are protesting against in any way, or even the politicians that have the power to effect the changes they want to see?
- Tepix 2y agoI think sooner or later we will see the arrival of groups like Children of Kali as described in KSR's book Ministry for the future. It's going to be ugly. If you haven't read the book, there's a nice review at https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2021/07/15/minsitry-future-kim-stanley-robinson-241009 https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2021/07/15/mins...
- kraftman 2y agoit would probably be more effective than mildly frustrating a few commuters though?
- zolbrek 2y agoThey could form a new political party or join an existing one and take part in the democratic process.
- krapp 2y agoNo political party which takes climate change seriously could possibly survive, much less maintain power within a democratic system. People don't want to give up their comforts and luxuries and standard of living, and business interests don't want to do anything to interfere with profits. If it were possible to address this problem through the democratic process, it would have been done long ago, when it might have been possible to avoid disaster. Now the best we can hope for is damage mitigation, but even that requires sacrifices no government would dare even suggest. Democracy doesn't work when people don't care.
- zolbrek 2y agoWhat would you advocate for then in place of the democratic process?
- silverquiet 2y agoPersonally, I'm trying to learn to accept the end of humanity in much the same way I hope to learn to accept my own eventual demise. It has not been easy for me.
- Ekaros 2y agoCertain level of nihilism and simply not caring does help a lot in the process. Life is only downwards from here in health, retirement is uncertain... Soo, why not have the little fun before the inevitable end...
- ffsm8 2y agoEeh, climate change isn't gonna cause the end of humanity within the foreseeable future. We might see lots of people getting displaced, more deaths to draughts, heatwaves, more forest fires, decimated ocean wildlife etc... but the end of humanity? No, that's not gonna happen from climate change itself. At least not within the next several hundred years
- silverquiet 2y agoHow long is the future really foreseeable? The current trajectory is already dismal and appears to be accelerating[0]. Certainly humanity's carbon emissions increase inexorably; what can stop them? Human extinction is probably a bit hyperbolic, certainly within this century, but can you imagine what the world will look like to a child born today, turning 75 in the year 2100? I can't claim to have any certainty, but I expect I'll be happy to have departed by then. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl6VhCAeEfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl6VhCAeEfQ
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- marssaxman 2y agoPeople have been trying to do that for several decades with little to show for their efforts. Time has grown short, and conventional democratic means seem to deliver change at such a glacial pace it seems likely to outlast the glaciers themselves, so it makes sense that people who feel a sense of urgency will look toward direct action.
- zolbrek 2y agoAt what point would you draw the line for direct action?
- marssaxman 2y ago"Draw the line" in which sense? "Beyond this line it is time to act", "action beyond this line would be unjustifiable", or perhaps something else?
- euroderf 2y agoDirect action is a French specialty and someone there could elucidate..