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> The teenager was visiting the 36th District Court for a trip organised by the environmental charity The Greening, whose other excursions include kayaking and

by neilv 2y ago

> The teenager was visiting the 36th District Court for a trip organised by the environmental charity The Greening, whose other excursions include kayaking and bird-watching. > [...] Mr King said he stood by his decisions. "I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there's probably no real chance of me putting her in jail," he said. "That was my own version of Scared Straight." Is it "https://www.greeningofdetroit.com/ https://www.greeningofdetroit.com/"? > The Greening of Detroit is a non-profit organization focused on enhancing the quality of life for Detroiters by planting trees, providing job training and involving our youth in the education of the natural environment. We involve Detroiters in the process through community engagement, green spaces, education and jobs. Is this primarily an at-risk teens program, without saying that directly? Why were these teens visiting a courtroom? Why did the judge think "Scared Straight" trauma was appropriate under the circumstances?

ziddoap 2y ago
>Why were these teens visiting a courtroom? It's not really that unusual. Every student in my district (thousands) visited their local courthouses in Civics class in 10th grade. >Why did the judge think "Scared Straight" trauma was appropriate under the circumstances? Power tripping.
- supermatt 2y ago
  > Power tripping Exactly this. How can it be seen in any other way? Why do these people have such power to do this to someone who isn’t breaking any law? I appreciate that someone needs to take responsibility for a decision over a trial, but for someone not involved in a trial? What repercussions are there for a judge to behave like this? This is some major authoritarian judge dredd shit.
- neilv 2y ago
  Not a civics class, but an environmental charity. Maybe the environmental charity was visiting a courtroom because environmental conscientiousness sometimes involves engaging with government processes through the courts, and a courtroom visit would make that abstraction more concrete. Or maybe the environmental charity has an at-risk youth program component, and someone thought it would be a good idea to confront teens with some of the undesirable reality of getting into crime. In either case, the judge might or might not have been in the loop on that. They might've just been in default mode, where they see bad and troubled behavior every day, all day.
20KaDiJaH19 2y ago
Were there adults accompanying the students? Who was responsible for the students’ behavior in the courtroom, especially, after the warnings from the judge to, at the least, one of them?
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by neilv 2y ago

ziddoap 2y ago

>Why were these teens visiting a courtroom? It's not really that unusual. Every student in my district (thousands) visited their local courthouses in Civics class in 10th grade. >Why did the judge think "Scared Straight" trauma was appropriate under the circumstances? Power tripping.

supermatt 2y ago
> Power tripping Exactly this. How can it be seen in any other way? Why do these people have such power to do this to someone who isn’t breaking any law? I appreciate that someone needs to take responsibility for a decision over a trial, but for someone not involved in a trial? What repercussions are there for a judge to behave like this? This is some major authoritarian judge dredd shit.
neilv 2y ago
Not a civics class, but an environmental charity. Maybe the environmental charity was visiting a courtroom because environmental conscientiousness sometimes involves engaging with government processes through the courts, and a courtroom visit would make that abstraction more concrete. Or maybe the environmental charity has an at-risk youth program component, and someone thought it would be a good idea to confront teens with some of the undesirable reality of getting into crime. In either case, the judge might or might not have been in the loop on that. They might've just been in default mode, where they see bad and troubled behavior every day, all day.

20KaDiJaH19 2y ago

Were there adults accompanying the students? Who was responsible for the students’ behavior in the courtroom, especially, after the warnings from the judge to, at the least, one of them?

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