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You do not. This has been established for quite some time. You’re not forced to purchase Apple. If you like Apple, you know you’re getting the ecosystem that co

You do not. This has been established for quite some time. You’re not forced to purchase Apple. If you like Apple, you know you’re getting the ecosystem that comes with it. Honestly the App Store is already garbage with the heavy amount of moderation it has. I can’t imagine what a cesspool it would be without that oversight. Admittedly, I’m a fan of this approach. I like it. If I didn’t, I just wouldn’t buy Apple products. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people.

donmcronald 2y ago
Wouldn’t App Store competition allow someone to build a better, more strictly moderated App Store? I think Apple knows that and it’s part of the reason they forbid competition.
dartos 2y ago
It’d be the mid 2010s google play store
lbwtaylor 2y ago
>I like it. If I didn’t, I just wouldn’t buy Apple products. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people. Because Apple is so aggressive about lock-in that it excludes reasonable interaction between people with Apple and people without. The texting situation with pictures and videos is the most glaring example. You are not forced to purchase Apple products, except that you are.
- dhosek 2y ago
  Pictures text just fine to non-Apple users. Videos don’t go through, but that’s because of a limitation of the text protocol (and Apple is finally providing support for the extended text format that allows videos to be sent via text)¹. Claiming that iMessage should be opened up is kind of like saying that you should be forced to allow people to park their cars on your front lawn. iMessage is a non-zero-cost service that Apple provides to add value to their products. You might as well insist that Apple allow people to install iOS on a non-Apple phone. ⸻ 1. I will criticize Apple for bad UI design in that if you text a video to a non-iMessage user, it silently fails rather than alerting the sender that the video can’t be sent.
  - lbwtaylor 2y ago
    Why do we have interoperable email but not interoperable text? Actually we do now, thanks to regulatory action forcing Apple.
  - chuckadams 2y ago
    Pictures going through MMS are horribly low-res though. Luckily IOS finally supports RCS now.
hipshaker 2y ago
This! I’m still suprised people behave like owning an iPhone is some kind of government mandate. Unhappy? Choose differently! Don’t like Apple, buy a pear. It’s like listening to offroaders complaining their Mercedes Maybach gets stuck in the mud.
pointlessone 2y ago
The issue is there’s no choice. There’s Apple, Google, Samsung and there is utter trash. You just can not buy a good phone that you can fully own. You can’t even buy a mediocre phone you fully own.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  So now we’re going to regulate how “good” phones have to be? That’s silly. There are 100s of different phones across at least 5 different major manufacturers. The argument of no choice is not based in reality.
  - pointlessone 2y ago
    I think you’re onto something. We do regulate cars, for example. Why not phones? Especially since it’s virtually impossible to live without a phone now.
dmm 2y ago
> You’re not forced to purchase Apple. Smartphones are necessary to interact with the modern world. This level of importance opens them to regulation. Just because Android is an alternative doesn't change this. My town has two hospitals. The existence of some sort of choice doesn't mean hospitals should be able to be unregulated. "Don't blame me I voted for kodos!" > Honestly the App Store is already garbage with the heavy amount of moderation it has. Sounds like you would be open to a more strictly moderated alternative!
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  I did not argue against Apple being regulated. But the “how” and “to what extent” are very important details. You want to force them to allow 3rd party app stores? That’s fine. But theirs should still be the default. Regulate how hard it is to swap them out if that bothers you, but their defaults are the best choice for most technically-inept users. I’m open to alternate app stores. But I also think Apple is fine the way it is. It’s a premium brand with opinionated design and if you don’t like that, there are more than 100 alternative phones spread across at LEAST 5 major phone manufacturers.
gigel82 2y ago
> You do not [own your device]. You’re not forced to purchase Apple. Holy oxymoron, Sherlock. You "purchase" something you don't own !? That's called a grift, you're getting grifted.

donmcronald 2y ago

Wouldn’t App Store competition allow someone to build a better, more strictly moderated App Store? I think Apple knows that and it’s part of the reason they forbid competition.

dartos 2y ago

It’d be the mid 2010s google play store

lbwtaylor 2y ago

>I like it. If I didn’t, I just wouldn’t buy Apple products. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people. Because Apple is so aggressive about lock-in that it excludes reasonable interaction between people with Apple and people without. The texting situation with pictures and videos is the most glaring example. You are not forced to purchase Apple products, except that you are.

dhosek 2y ago
Pictures text just fine to non-Apple users. Videos don’t go through, but that’s because of a limitation of the text protocol (and Apple is finally providing support for the extended text format that allows videos to be sent via text)¹. Claiming that iMessage should be opened up is kind of like saying that you should be forced to allow people to park their cars on your front lawn. iMessage is a non-zero-cost service that Apple provides to add value to their products. You might as well insist that Apple allow people to install iOS on a non-Apple phone. ⸻ 1. I will criticize Apple for bad UI design in that if you text a video to a non-iMessage user, it silently fails rather than alerting the sender that the video can’t be sent.
- lbwtaylor 2y ago
  Why do we have interoperable email but not interoperable text? Actually we do now, thanks to regulatory action forcing Apple.
- chuckadams 2y ago
  Pictures going through MMS are horribly low-res though. Luckily IOS finally supports RCS now.

hipshaker 2y ago

This! I’m still suprised people behave like owning an iPhone is some kind of government mandate. Unhappy? Choose differently! Don’t like Apple, buy a pear. It’s like listening to offroaders complaining their Mercedes Maybach gets stuck in the mud.

pointlessone 2y ago

The issue is there’s no choice. There’s Apple, Google, Samsung and there is utter trash. You just can not buy a good phone that you can fully own. You can’t even buy a mediocre phone you fully own.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
So now we’re going to regulate how “good” phones have to be? That’s silly. There are 100s of different phones across at least 5 different major manufacturers. The argument of no choice is not based in reality.
- pointlessone 2y ago
  I think you’re onto something. We do regulate cars, for example. Why not phones? Especially since it’s virtually impossible to live without a phone now.

dmm 2y ago

> You’re not forced to purchase Apple. Smartphones are necessary to interact with the modern world. This level of importance opens them to regulation. Just because Android is an alternative doesn't change this. My town has two hospitals. The existence of some sort of choice doesn't mean hospitals should be able to be unregulated. "Don't blame me I voted for kodos!" > Honestly the App Store is already garbage with the heavy amount of moderation it has. Sounds like you would be open to a more strictly moderated alternative!

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
I did not argue against Apple being regulated. But the “how” and “to what extent” are very important details. You want to force them to allow 3rd party app stores? That’s fine. But theirs should still be the default. Regulate how hard it is to swap them out if that bothers you, but their defaults are the best choice for most technically-inept users. I’m open to alternate app stores. But I also think Apple is fine the way it is. It’s a premium brand with opinionated design and if you don’t like that, there are more than 100 alternative phones spread across at LEAST 5 major phone manufacturers.

gigel82 2y ago

> You do not [own your device]. You’re not forced to purchase Apple. Holy oxymoron, Sherlock. You "purchase" something you don't own !? That's called a grift, you're getting grifted.