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While the examples are all valid, the restrictions don't apply on mobile Safari. Why do corporations and devs continue to accept a share cropper role by paying

by rchaud 2y ago

While the examples are all valid, the restrictions don't apply on mobile Safari. Why do corporations and devs continue to accept a share cropper role by paying Apple to host native apps? FirefoxOS had the right idea, make the browser the principal gateway for applications. It was a decade ahead of its time, but the mobile web is now at a level where native apps aren't needed for the most part.

tazu 2y ago
> Why do corporations and devs continue to accept a share cropper role by paying Apple to host native apps? Push notifications. That's it, and presumably why Apple waited 8 years[1] before allowing them on iOS PWAs. [1]: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-open-web https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-...
- fundad 2y ago
  I remember companies pushing their own listening apps so they could collect more of your behavior than from podcast apps. Patreon will not pay the fee if they pull all payments from their app. It can be a player/browser app with all the instrumentation they want.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Oh hey, that's kinda like how Apple designed a proprietary undocumented Push Notification system so they can harvest your personal information as a secret accessory to the NSA and international surveillance organizations: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Skinner: "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the third-parties that are wrong."
- rchaud 2y ago
  I can understand engagement/spam-hungry apps like Uber nd Facebook needing notifications for business reasons. For all other apps, notifications are either a lot less important, or can be sent via email.
mantas 2y ago
Even Apple had the right idea in the beginning…
johannes1234321 2y ago
Way better tracking. Getting ad/trakcing blockers for apps is a lot harder than on the browser. Also an app can observe things while in the background (with a cat and mouse game on how much vendors allow) And for broaden the tracking they can still open the browser from the app transferring some unique id, thus tying browser cookies to the app user.
fundad 2y ago
This PR campaign from Patreon is meant to inform patrons that their own website offers lower rates than through the Patreon App, if the creator so chooses. If Patreon doesn't see the value in distributing through the App Store, it's smart to get as much exposure as possible on the way out the door.

by rchaud 2y ago

tazu 2y ago

> Why do corporations and devs continue to accept a share cropper role by paying Apple to host native apps? Push notifications. That's it, and presumably why Apple waited 8 years[1] before allowing them on iOS PWAs. [1]: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-open-web https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-...

fundad 2y ago
I remember companies pushing their own listening apps so they could collect more of your behavior than from podcast apps. Patreon will not pay the fee if they pull all payments from their app. It can be a player/browser app with all the instrumentation they want.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Oh hey, that's kinda like how Apple designed a proprietary undocumented Push Notification system so they can harvest your personal information as a secret accessory to the NSA and international surveillance organizations: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Skinner: "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the third-parties that are wrong."
rchaud 2y ago
I can understand engagement/spam-hungry apps like Uber nd Facebook needing notifications for business reasons. For all other apps, notifications are either a lot less important, or can be sent via email.

mantas 2y ago

Even Apple had the right idea in the beginning…

johannes1234321 2y ago

Way better tracking. Getting ad/trakcing blockers for apps is a lot harder than on the browser. Also an app can observe things while in the background (with a cat and mouse game on how much vendors allow) And for broaden the tracking they can still open the browser from the app transferring some unique id, thus tying browser cookies to the app user.

fundad 2y ago

This PR campaign from Patreon is meant to inform patrons that their own website offers lower rates than through the Patreon App, if the creator so chooses. If Patreon doesn't see the value in distributing through the App Store, it's smart to get as much exposure as possible on the way out the door.