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White collar crimes should be punished with the same vigor as blue collar ones. White collar crimes mostly steal money, at scale. Insufficient money is a huge c

White collar crimes should be punished with the same vigor as blue collar ones. White collar crimes mostly steal money, at scale. Insufficient money is a huge cause of suffering—people don’t get to retire at early, they and their kids don’t get the opportunities they would have had otherwise. You can be a drug dealer that doesn’t hurt anybody.

ineedaj0b 2y ago
No. Drug dealers always hurt people - we have the word Pharmacist for good drug dispensers.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  There is a huge difference between a regulated and controlled system and your neighborhood methhead mixing up something in his kitchen to sell to the kids a couple of blocks over
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    Regulated and controlled systems sold a ton of opioids.
  - bpmooch 2y ago
    your name is extremely ironic next to your post
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Do you actually believe that or is this some sort of rhetorical point? This stretches my suspension of disbelief to be honest. People can buy very addictive drugs from pharmacists (legal drugs are a huge contributor to the opioid epidemic), and there were doctors in some areas that were known for being extremely lax about that sort of thing. Lots of the illegal drug dealers do sell really harmful stuff. But before it was legalized they sold weed… We should not pretend our laws are perfect, they are always undergoing refinement.
- butlike 2y ago
  Disagree. Someone who is well and truly addicted to drugs does, in fact, need it like the air they breathe. Drug dealers provide a necessary service to those folks where a lot (most?) of the "above the belt" services aimed at rehabilitation either fail completely or make matters actively worse.
ric2b 2y ago
Many of them should be treated to non-violent home theft, adjusted for the value of the fraud. Defrauded people out of 10M? That's about as much or more than 1000 home thefts, which would probably land you in prison for life.
fluoridation 2y ago
OK, but if you want to judge white collar crime and blue collar crime with the same yardstick, you have to put a price on human suffering. How much money do I have to embezzle so it's equivalent to a punch in the face? How much so it's equivalent to a murder? By a scale of suffering caused, I would argue that embezzling a very large sum can be much worse than an assault. On the other hand, not every murder causes the same amount of suffering.

ineedaj0b 2y ago

No. Drug dealers always hurt people - we have the word Pharmacist for good drug dispensers.

EasyMark 2y ago
There is a huge difference between a regulated and controlled system and your neighborhood methhead mixing up something in his kitchen to sell to the kids a couple of blocks over
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Regulated and controlled systems sold a ton of opioids.
- bpmooch 2y ago
  your name is extremely ironic next to your post
bee_rider 2y ago
Do you actually believe that or is this some sort of rhetorical point? This stretches my suspension of disbelief to be honest. People can buy very addictive drugs from pharmacists (legal drugs are a huge contributor to the opioid epidemic), and there were doctors in some areas that were known for being extremely lax about that sort of thing. Lots of the illegal drug dealers do sell really harmful stuff. But before it was legalized they sold weed… We should not pretend our laws are perfect, they are always undergoing refinement.
butlike 2y ago
Disagree. Someone who is well and truly addicted to drugs does, in fact, need it like the air they breathe. Drug dealers provide a necessary service to those folks where a lot (most?) of the "above the belt" services aimed at rehabilitation either fail completely or make matters actively worse.

ric2b 2y ago

Many of them should be treated to non-violent home theft, adjusted for the value of the fraud. Defrauded people out of 10M? That's about as much or more than 1000 home thefts, which would probably land you in prison for life.

fluoridation 2y ago

OK, but if you want to judge white collar crime and blue collar crime with the same yardstick, you have to put a price on human suffering. How much money do I have to embezzle so it's equivalent to a punch in the face? How much so it's equivalent to a murder? By a scale of suffering caused, I would argue that embezzling a very large sum can be much worse than an assault. On the other hand, not every murder causes the same amount of suffering.