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One of these things is not like the other. Ross Ulbricht was part of a murder for hire scheme, and was not a whistle blower or anything close to a reporter. ht

by tedivm 2y ago

One of these things is not like the other. Ross Ulbricht was part of a murder for hire scheme, and was not a whistle blower or anything close to a reporter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_...

A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
I understand what you are saying, but I wonder if that is the right type of defense here. Each of those individuals could be separated from otherwise sympathetic audience by diving the audience( 'he is x$ and therefore bad' approach ). Same here. Murder for hire is bad, but his prosecution was about just as bad[1] and one could argue that (edit) by using warrantless spying without any probable cause undermined US constitutional rights. In a grand scheme of things, it is better to have one criminal get away than trample on everyone's rights. What they do have in common, however, is an inordinate amount of resources expended to punish them by the state.. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_...
yieldcrv 2y ago
You realize that the moderators in question were Secret Service and DEA agents creating fictional scenarios to line their own pockets Their involvement and indictment was withheld during the Ross trial and they went to prison for that Ross was not charged for these scenes, the other district court is saving face by calling it redundant and dropping it but it’s really a shaky case It shouldn’t have been brought up in sentencing, but there is no accountability in a judge doing so https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber-vault/2019-12-13/silk-road-investigation-dea-secret-service-agents-involvement-online-black-market-site https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber-vault/2019-12-13/silk-r...
- pc86 2y ago
  You're right that he wasn't charged, but: "For example, because Ulbricht contested his responsibility for the five commissioned murders for hire, the district court found by a preponderance of the evidence that Ulbricht did in fact commission the murders, believing that they would be carried out." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#cite_note-46 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#cite_note-46 Just because something doesn't rise to the level of provability of getting charged and sentenced for it doesn't mean that you can't say with a high level of confidence it happened.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    I didnt say it didnt happen Corrupt, convicted ex government agents staged the murders, there is video evidence of some of them that they made for Ross to pay them. Which got them convicted. Ross was not charged with that, wasnt charged with conspiracy to do that, wasnt put in front of a jury for that. Because the government would lose that case because of their corrupt agents and agencies (Baltimore FBI which hosted the skit) messing up the case. This doesnt warrant a double life sentence for the crimes he was convicted of. 1 presidential candidate will commute (basically saying ~9 years is enough, ending this debate), 1 presidential candidate will pardon completely, 1 will likely do neither until the FreeRoss campaign learns how to do campaign contributions. Its only a matter of time as crypto savants gain position
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
So we're led to believe. But Ulbricht was identified via domestic NSA wiretaps; they used parallel construction to prosecute (oh yeh, the FBI just happened to stumble onto a Stackoverflow question of his years ago and used proper warrants against that!). Why would I swallow any childish stories that the US attorney made up?

by tedivm 2y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago

I understand what you are saying, but I wonder if that is the right type of defense here. Each of those individuals could be separated from otherwise sympathetic audience by diving the audience( 'he is x$ and therefore bad' approach ). Same here. Murder for hire is bad, but his prosecution was about just as bad[1] and one could argue that (edit) by using warrantless spying without any probable cause undermined US constitutional rights. In a grand scheme of things, it is better to have one criminal get away than trample on everyone's rights. What they do have in common, however, is an inordinate amount of resources expended to punish them by the state.. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Murder-for-hire_...

yieldcrv 2y ago

You realize that the moderators in question were Secret Service and DEA agents creating fictional scenarios to line their own pockets Their involvement and indictment was withheld during the Ross trial and they went to prison for that Ross was not charged for these scenes, the other district court is saving face by calling it redundant and dropping it but it’s really a shaky case It shouldn’t have been brought up in sentencing, but there is no accountability in a judge doing so https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber-vault/2019-12-13/silk-road-investigation-dea-secret-service-agents-involvement-online-black-market-site https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber-vault/2019-12-13/silk-r...

pc86 2y ago
You're right that he wasn't charged, but: "For example, because Ulbricht contested his responsibility for the five commissioned murders for hire, the district court found by a preponderance of the evidence that Ulbricht did in fact commission the murders, believing that they would be carried out." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#cite_note-46 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#cite_note-46 Just because something doesn't rise to the level of provability of getting charged and sentenced for it doesn't mean that you can't say with a high level of confidence it happened.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  I didnt say it didnt happen Corrupt, convicted ex government agents staged the murders, there is video evidence of some of them that they made for Ross to pay them. Which got them convicted. Ross was not charged with that, wasnt charged with conspiracy to do that, wasnt put in front of a jury for that. Because the government would lose that case because of their corrupt agents and agencies (Baltimore FBI which hosted the skit) messing up the case. This doesnt warrant a double life sentence for the crimes he was convicted of. 1 presidential candidate will commute (basically saying ~9 years is enough, ending this debate), 1 presidential candidate will pardon completely, 1 will likely do neither until the FreeRoss campaign learns how to do campaign contributions. Its only a matter of time as crypto savants gain position

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

So we're led to believe. But Ulbricht was identified via domestic NSA wiretaps; they used parallel construction to prosecute (oh yeh, the FBI just happened to stumble onto a Stackoverflow question of his years ago and used proper warrants against that!). Why would I swallow any childish stories that the US attorney made up?